Mr. Phenix.

the car that had big KRLD letters on it and Wes Wise was known to some of them, but I wasn't; Wes was driving the car.

Mr. Hubert.

There was a guard there that seemed to look you over?

Mr. Phenix.

Now, I don't remember a guard on the Main Street side as we drove in.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, that was at 9 o'clock?

Mr. Phenix.

Right, and later, I think there was a lieutenant from the Dallas Police Force just walking through the crowds, and I could tell he was looking me over, and stood there about 3 or 4 feet from me a little bit and never said anything.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know any of the people from WBAP-TV in Fort Worth?

Mr. Phenix.

I know some of their camera men--the reporter-camera men--is that Channel 5?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know. Do you know Tankersley, a Mr. Tankersley?

Mr. Phenix.

I think I know who he is.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Mr. Timmons?

Mr. Phenix.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Jim Turner?

Mr. Phenix.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you observe during the time you were standing at your position No. 6, a camera being loaded through the double doors or swinging doors at the jail corridor?

Mr. Phenix.

Yes; there was a live camera also---I don't know whose that was and I don't even know where the camera wound up--the final position.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you observe how many people were pushing it along?

Mr. Phenix.

I didn't really pay any attention to it.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know even now whose camera it was?

Mr. Phenix.

It was either NBC or ABC--it was a local camera man but they were shooting for one of those two networks.

Mr. Hubert.

How long before the shooting was it that you saw this camera being rolled out from the Jail corridor?

Mr. Phenix.

Not--it wasn't too long before the shooting--maybe 20 minutes. We were getting a little edgy from sitting there so long, so it's hard to estimate time, or, I was getting edgy.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice a police car come from the parking area up the -ramp that goes from the parking area to the level of the basement area and turn right, pass you, and go on up the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Phenix.

You mean come out from here and go out this way? [Indicating on markup.]

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Phenix.

I can't remember, really. I may have and I may not--I just really can't remember. I know there was--I believe there was a paddy wagon that came through earlier. It seems like I remember a car, though, driving out.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Phenix, have you ever been interviewed before by any member of the Commission's Staff?

Mr. Phenix.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

And actually, you were not interviewed by me before this deposition began?

Mr. Phenix.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it fair to state that anyone reading the two reports or statements that you have given, identified as Exhibits 5328 and 5329, and following your deposition today, with the chart that has been identified as Exhibit 5330, would have the whole story, as far as you know anything about it?

Mr. Phenix.

Yes; but I would like to say that I believe it is in Exhibit 5329 that I said that no other newsmen were asked for their identification.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Phenix.

Now, that's Just as far as I know--I didn't actually see----I couldn't say that absolutely no one was asked.

Mr. Hubert.

All right--that's all right--you are telling me that is a possibility?

Mr. Phenix.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

All you can say is what you observed?

Mr. Phenix.

Right.