Mr. Phenix.

I am not sure whose that was.

Mr. Hubert.

It was another live camera, but not a KRLD?

Mr. Phenix.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, your testimony is that as to the live camera which we have marked by rectangle with a "B" in the middle of ,that rectangle, you know it was a live camera and it was not a KRLD camera, but you don't know whose camera it was?

Mr. Phenix.

Right--this might be incidental--I either laid the camera down or had one of our production crew that was with the live camera hold it and I swung my mike over the overhead pipes in this area--it's really not important, but that's part of the milling around I was doing.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather what you wanted to do was to get your mike in a position to catch sound if it was possible to do so?

Mr. PHENIX. Yes; right.

Mr. Hubert.

So, from your position six on this Exhibit 5330, you slung, shah he say, or hung----

Mr. Phenix.

Hung.

Mr. Hubert.

Your wires with the live mike, the end of it, so that it would hang down, I suppose, just as you indicated--just roughly at the position we originally marked number 1?

Mr. Phenix.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Which is where you physically were?

Mr. Phenix.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

So that now position No. 1 has two meanings--it is the position you first came to and the position where your mike was hanging.

Mr. Phenix.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us something of the number of people to your right and in the ramp going towards Main Street?

Mr. Phenix.

It's a little hard to say--that camera that I was using was such that the eyepiece is on the left and I normally keep it in a ready position on my shoulder so it blocks my vision to the right, but there were maybe 10 or 15 people milling around there some were news commentators and some were radio men with tape recorders----

Mr. Hubert.

Some policemen?

Mr. Phenix.

Some policemen.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you judge there were 18 to 20 people along in there?

Mr. Phenix.

It could be.

Mr. Hubert.

By the way, how long were you in that position No. 6 prior to the time of the shooting?

Mr. Phenix.

Probably at least an hour--I just didn't want to leave it, and we didn't know at what exact time he was coming down.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the condition of the people and the numbers thereof to your left from position No. 6?

Mr. Phenix.

Well, there were many more--as we got ready to bring Oswald out, policemen lined this wall here and formed a line coming out of the swinging doors, and then the newsmen were back at position two mainly.

Mr. Hubert.

Suppose we mark a line and we will call that line--let's say starting at No. 7 in a circle, and moving and turning towards Commerce Street to point 8, roughly.

Mr. Phenix.

Okay.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, that curving line, which is line 7 to 8 is where police were lined, is that correct?

Mr. Phenix.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were there police lined elsewhere?

Mr. Phenix.

I believe part of this line coming down the other side were policemen.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, if we mark a line now, calling it one point of the line nine, and the other one----

Mr. Phenix.

It went straight down this way [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Straight into you?

Mr. Phenix.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Which side of you?