Mr. Graves.

No, and I wish that there was. Listen, as I said, we have heard a lot of things but we have never been able to prove anything, so, again, what I have heard is just speculation, and Just talk. I have heard that he was connected with any number of people. Trying to prove that--telling us--but there is nothing concrete in terms of evidence to prove that he was connected with them in any way, so far as I know. Somebody may know something that I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know anything of your own knowledge that you think might bear light one way or the other?

Mr. Graves.

No, I don't; again, like I say, I wish that there was something, but, of course, I am sure that everybody is like me and listen to everybody and everything and try to make sense out of this thing to the best of their ability by checking everything.

Mr. Griffin.

I'm going to mark for identification here we are going to call this, "Dallas, Tex., Detective Graves, March 24, 1964. Exhibit No. 5003." And I'm going to mark these pages 5003-A and 5003-B and 5003-C. Now, these are copies of FBI reports which purport to be interviews that were had by the FBI agents, with you. Exhibit 5003-A is a report of an interview on November 24, taken by Special Agent Bookhout and Agent Rabidoux. Do you remember approximately when these gentlemen talked with you?

Mr. Graves.

To the best of my recolleciton, it was in the evening part of the day, but just exactly when, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, Exhibit 5003-B, and Exhibit 5003-C, consists of one interview with you by Special Agent Bookhout, Jim Bookhout.

Mr. Graves.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And that was dated on November 24. Do you remember approximately what time of day that was?

Mr. Graves.

That was pretty soon after this thing happened, after I got back from the hospital, so, you can say roughly, I guess, around 3 o'clock, 3 or 4 o'clock. That is just--that is an approximate time. He was the first one I talked to. There was something in there that I want to call your attention to, though.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me hand these to you and let you examine Exhibits 5003-A, 5003-B and C, and tell us if there is anything in there that you would want to amplify or correct or change in any manner?

Mr. Graves.

Let me see. I will have to find it now.

Mr. Griffin.

Just take your time.
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Graves.

This right here says, "Captain Fritz was in the lead and was standing at the edge of the ramp waiting to get into the front seat of the car," actually, he was at the rear of that car door, flying to open it, if he didn't already have it open.

Mr. Griffin.

What exhibit number are you referring to, sir?

Mr. Graves.

5003-B. No; that's right here. "Graves and Leavelle stopped momentarily for the car to back up," that is a bad choice of phrasing in that situation. We, actually can't say that we were stopped, we were still in motion when this thing happened. It was a momentary glance to the right and a slight turn in that direction, but we were still in motion.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you make this correction as a result of having viewed the movies, or something that you remember independently of the movies?

Mr. Graves.

I remembered that later. Of course, I saw it also on the movies later which verified it, but after I had gotten this thing and read it over then, I realized that we actually hadn't stopped.

Mr. Griffin.

I recall that I have neglected to administer an oath to you in the course of this deposition, Mr. Graves. I wonder if you would raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that everything that you have said here today is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Mr. Graves.

I do.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there anything more that you have to tell us?

Mr. Graves.

I can't think of anything at this time. Except for those little things, I believe those are basically true and correct.

Mr. Griffin.

We certainly appreciate your coming here today.