Mr. Hankal.

George was to my right, I believe, he was still here.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I am marking a position which you have designated on the mockup as being approximately where I am putting the letter "P" for Phenix, is that about right?

Mr. Hankal.

That's as I last saw him before the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

And I am drawing a line and writing "Phenix position according to Hankal," is that right?

Mr. Hankal.

Correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Huffaker?

Mr. Hankal.

I do.

Mr. Hubert.

Who is he?

Mr. Hankal.

He is a newsman at KRLD.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was he standing?

Mr. Hankal.

Well, the last time I saw Bob before the shooting, he was just outside and to the left of the Jail office door.

Mr. Hubert.

How long before the shooting was that?

Mr. Hankal.

Perhaps 5 or 6 minutes before it.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't see him at the time of the shooting?

Mr. Hankal.

No; I didn't. After the shooting he came to our camera for instructions.

Mr. Hubert.

When they brought Oswald down, was any announcement made of it at the moment?

Mr. Hankal.

Not outside of just a cry from a newsman that said, "He's coming." That's the only announcement I ever heard.

Mr. Hubert.

And then immediately thereafter the parties escorting him began to come through?

Mr. Hankal.

Appeared at the door and came through.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us what was the reaction at the time Oswald actually appeared into view of the news people and the police and so forth?

Mr. Hankal.

Well, the physical things that happened was there was a stir--some of the movie cameras lights---they need more lights than the television cameras do, some of their lights came on, strobe lights came on and cameras began to click. It was-- at the moment not very noisy as it had been--a little, oh, a hush fell over us.

Mr. Hubert.

Isn't it a fact that prior to the shooting, immediately prior to the shooting there was a general surge forward?

Mr. Hankal.

Just prior to the shooting?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Hankal.

Yes---I would say.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean that there was a general movement--a step or two forward by each. person--that made a surge?

Mr. Hankal.

A moving forward, leaning forward, of all bodies.

Mr. Hubert.

And it was almost immediately thereafter or contemporaneously with it that Jack Ruby brushed through the crowd, is that correct?

Mr. Hankal.

Within the same action.

Mr. Hubert.

You had not seen him standing there before?

Mr. Hankal.

No; I hadn't.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know how he got in?

Mr. Hankal.

I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you present at the showup of Oswald which took place on the night of November 22 in the assembly room of the police department when the press and other news media representatives were allowed to see Oswald?

Mr. Hankal.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Jack Ruby in that crowd?

Mr. Hankal.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear anyone say anything from the rear to Oswald?

Mr. Hankal.

Well, what do you mean?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, specifically----

Mr. Hankal.

There were a lot of questions, a lot of people were asking him questions; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were there any answers?

Mr. Hankal.

Yes; he answered some of them--yes one of them was "I