Mr. Hubert.

Now, before we go into positions to be marked on that map, may I ask you how long you had been in the basement area prior to the shooting?

Mr. Hankal.

Somewhere around 2 or 3 hours and the night before.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you ever seen Ruby around at any time?

Mr. Hankal.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know him?

Mr. Hankal.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

And when you testified a moment ago that you saw the man Ruby shoot Oswald, is it correct to state that you did not at that time know that the man doing the shooting was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Hankal.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, you did assume a position in the basement for some time prior to the actual shooting and it was a rather static position, wasn't it?

Mr. Hankal.

The evening before we were positioned directly across from the jail office door. The next day when we came to work, we moved our camera across the ramp down into the parking area.

Mr. Hubert.

Back of the rail?

Mr. Hankal.

Back of the rail--we were shooting between the rails.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you, in fact, standing at the moment of the shooting? I ask you to place the spot first on the mockup and I give you the chart to mark a point at which you were standing after you fixed the point on the mock-up.

Mr. Hankal.

My camera was here just to the left of this center pole and shooting between the rails---we have a long verital zoom lens and it stuck out between the rails--I was standing outside of the rail of the ramp to the left of the lens.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you mark on this chart where you were standing?

Mr. Hankal.

I was standing here [indicating and marking on the chart referred to].

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you have marked a place "X". Now, put it in a circle, and I am drawing a line and writing the following "position of Hankal at time of shooting" is that correct?

Mr. Hankal.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

The camera was to your rear and left, is that right?

Mr. Hankal.

To my right.

Mr. Hubert.

To your right or to your left?

Mr. Hankal.

To my right.

Mr. Hubert.

So that the camera would have been approximately like this?

Mr. Hankal.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

I am drawing a square in which I am marking an "A" and I am drawing a line out and writing "position of live camera"--it was a live camera?

Mr. Hankal.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the station?

Mr. Hankal.

KRLD.

Mr. Hubert.

"KRLD".
It was there at all pertinent times--right?

Mr. Hankal.

We moved and shot up here after the shots were fired.

Mr. Hubert.

But before the shots were fired, that's where you were?

Mr. Hankal.

That's right--before the shots were fired that's where we were.

Mr. Hubert.

Then, at all pertinent times prior to the shooting you were there?

Mr. Hankal.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

The camera itself was back of the rail into the parking area--you were in front of the rail on the ramp?

Mr. Hankal.

On the ramp in front of the rail--right.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Jim Turner?
Mr. HANKAL, No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know George Phenix?

Mr. Hankal.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he there too?

Mr. Hankal.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the relative position between you and George?