derogatory nature would hurt him. We tried to emphasize the point that this would not be derogatory publicity.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you point out to him that the position was somewhat inconsistent with the fact that he was a volunteer? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he say ?
Lieutenant REVILL. He decided he would testify if his testimony was needed.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his statement as to his original motivation for reporting this matter, that is to say, that he had seen Ruby?
Lieutenant REVILL. I don't believe he ever said what motivated him to report this incident.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he ever asked, that you know of, why he had delayed so long ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; I asked him that myself.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he say ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Well, he used the same story, that he did not want to become involved in this thing because of his fight or his crusade to dry up the liquor industry.

Mr. Hubert.

But, how did he then explain the fact that he had volunteered?
Lieutenant REVILL. He didn't explain it. Now, this is an assumption on my part. I believe this is why Mr. Alexander was reluctant to use him, because Mr. Rushing is .the type that there is a Communist under each tree or each rock.

Mr. Hubert.

How old a man is Rushing?
Lieutenant REVILL. Late forty's, or early fifty's.

Mr. Hubert.

Has he been in the Dallas area long?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he had just recently moved to Dallas from South Dakota. He tells me he is a personal friend of Senator Mundt and the Governor of South Dakota and other influential people, which may or may not be true.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you Check to see whether he actually does have a church?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; he is on the radio throughout the Nation.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you showed me prior to the commencement of this deposition, a large folder which you identified as--which is identified from the title page of the jacket cover "File No. INT--"
Lieutenant REVILL. That's intelligence.

Mr. Hubert.

"Intelligence 25-- 1 through INT--intelligence 25---subject Jack Ruby, DPD," which, I believe means Dallas Police Department. "36398," which is the jacket, I suppose, and folder of the special services bureau ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Well, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you also advise me that most of this information, or most of this folder, all except actually the first five pages are reports that have been built up after the shooting ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; this is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

You state to me also, I think, that this jacket has been made available to the Secret Service?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they make copies of it? Do you know?
Lieutenant REVILL. They made copies of much of this information.

Mr. Hubert.

You dealt with Mr. Sorrels?
Lieutenant REVILL Not directly with Mr. Sorrels himself. Some of his agents. If I might use that, I might be able to explain it more fully. If it is necessary for the record--

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I was considering making it a part of the record, but I don't want, obviously, to take it away from you and I don't have authority at the present time to subpena it.
Lieutenant REVILL. I will make you copies of anything you want.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I wanted to get at. If copies have been made already and turned over to the Secret Service, that would be unnecessary.
Lieutenant REVILL. For example, here was toll calls, telephone long-distance calls placed from the telephone at the Carousel at 1312 1/2 Commerce. The Ruby residence, at 223 South Ewing, and also the Vegas Club at 3508 Oak Lawn, and also his sister's residence, Eva Grant's.