Mr. Hubert.

Captain JONES. To the jail office there?

Mr. Hubert.

What time was it, about?
Captain JONES. Well, it would take a minimum, I would say, of 5 minutes, to come up that. It would vary a little, and possibly more, depending on how fast the elevators came up and so forth.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do next then?
Captain JONES. Next thing I did--it was brought to my attention--we don't have a chart here so I will have

Mr. Hubert.

Here; I am going to mark it, "Dallas, Texas, March 24, 1963. Exhibit 5057, deposition of Capt. O. A. Jones." I am signing my name below e you to sign your name, here.
Captain JONES. All right, sir..

Mr. Hubert.

And then will you use the exhibit as you see fit. Let me say to you that if you do refer to the exhibit please indicate in words where it is rather than pointing to it because it will not make sense later on.
Captain JONES. All right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you were saying about the basement
Captain JONES. When I got off the elevator, came out and left the elevator--all right, now, someone brought it to my attention that photographers and news media were in this part of the jail.

Mr. Hubert.

In the jail?
Captain JONES. Jail office, outside.

Mr. Hubert.

Outside of the desks?
Captain JONES. Outside the booking area, outside of the desk part of the jail office, and newsmen all out in here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

When you say "here," you are pointing to the jail area?
Captain JONES. The corridor they have from the driveway from the basement jail office.

Mr. Hubert.

On the east side of the swinging doors ?
Captain JONES. On the east side of the swinging doors; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, what did you do?
Captain JONES. I did not know the instructions given to the other officers down there prior to that. Nothing. So, immediately after seeing them--I saw Chief Batchelor and Chief Stevenson come out the swinging doors into the area, and Batchelor, being the highest ranking officer present, I pointed these people out to him, and---

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, in the jail office?
Captain JONES. In the jail office were they supposed to be in there, and wouldn't it be better, if we could get those people out of the jail office, that it would be easier to watch the prisoner, and so, I don't know the exact words, I used, and they walked around and looked around, and then agreed that it would be. So, he and I, and at least one other officer, and I don't know who he was, but at least one more removed everyone out of the outer part of the jail office to just outside the swinging doors coming from the basement of the city hall going east.

Mr. Hubert.

In the direction

Captain JONES. In the direction of the driveway, and after getting them out there, not knowing the specific instructions that might have been given. I said, "Chief Batchelor, would it be possible to have all this media be placed north of a line from the east corner of the jail office all right. To move all the news media north of a line formed from the corner of the jail office from the corridor to across the ramp leading down from Main Street, to have all reporters north of that line, and that east of a line running off from this point across the driveway going south down to the exit from the basement parking area."

Mr. Hubert.

All right, I am going to mark, as you have indicated on the map, by making a line starting--with the letter "A" on the corner formed by the intersection of the jail corridor and the basement ramp moving east to
a point, "B ", which I am marking---
Captain JONES. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Which is the east side of the ramp, and to another point marked