Mr. Hubert.

Not him? Did he tell you of any plans made for the transfer? Did Captain Fritz tell you of any plans made for the transfer?

Mr. Frazier.

I don't recall, sir. He may have said--I'm not sure. I heard this later on in the morning, I think, but I'm not sure. He may have said then that he planned to move him around 10 the next day. I don't recall whether he said it or some other officer said it later on in the morning, but I did hear it. Now, I don't say whether Captain Fritz is the one that told me or not. I don't recall the exact conversation there other than the fact that I had asked him if he was handling it and he said, "No." Chief Curry was handling it.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember when you spoke to Mr. Newsom from the FBI whether Mr. Newsom told you that the Dallas Sheriff's Office had received a similar call to the one he was relating to you?

Mr. Frazier.

No; I don't recall that. He possibly--he could have said it, but I do not recall it, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When the gentlemen from the sheriff's office, either Cox or Coy, called you that was simply about when the transfer was going to take place, is that correct?

Mr. Frazier.

I assume that is what it was. He indicated to me that Decker wanted to get ahold of Chief Curry and move him as soon as possible.

Mr. Hubert.

Did that man mention to you about the receipt of any threats such as Newsom had told you about?

Mr. Frazier.

I believe he did.

Mr. Hubert.

That was the second threat you had received that morning? In other words, the threat came from two sources, so far as you know. You heard it from the FBI, and this man from the sheriff's office?

Mr. Frazier.

Indicated--

Mr. Hubert.

Indicated that he had received a threat?

Mr. Frazier.

I believe he did; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember saying to Mr. Newsom that the plan to transfer Oswald to the county jail might be changed in view of the threat that he had conveyed to you?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; no, sir. That wasn't any of my business, that transfer, and I'm sure I didn't relate that to him, because I'd be telling him something that I didn't know about, really, at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember telling Mr. Newsom of the FBI, on the occasion that he called you that morning around 2 or 2:30, that Oswald's plans of transfer had been publicized primarily as a form of cooperation with press and news agencies?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not make that

Mr. Frazier.

Huh-uh.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not make that statement?

Mr. Frazier.

I did not make any such statement.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there any planned-transfer, to your knowledge?

Mr. Frazier.

All I knew that they was supposed to move the next day, and then perhaps later in the morning I--maybe Captain Fritz told me that they were supposed to move him around 10 a.m., that morning.

Mr. Hubert.

That is as to time, but did you know of any plans prior to going off duty that day as to the method, the route, and the vehicles to be used?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you go off duty, sir ?

Mr. Frazier.

It was around 6 or 6:15, or something like that, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you come back then?

Mr. Frazier.

If that was--

Mr. Hubert.

Did you leave the department and go home?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes; I went home and I went to bed. I was asleep when Oswald was shot.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you hear about that?

Mr. Frazier.

My wife awakened me shortly thereafter. She had seen it on TV. She was watching. the transfer on TV, and she awakened me.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go down there?