Mr. Griffin.

I am going to mark this, "Dallas, Tex., Sergeant Dean, March 24, 1964, Exhibit 5012." Now, let me see if I understand you correctly- This was a collect call placed from Canada to the police department?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

By a man by the name of Simpson, Ralph Simpson?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you actually talk with Simpson ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did the telephone call last?

Mr. Dean.

Four minutes and three seconds, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

Is this the name of the operator that put the call through, Bernice Williamson?

Mr. Dean.

She was the Victoria operator.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you get the name of the city operator ?

Mr. Dean.

The city operator was Patsy. I don't know her last name. Patsy. She is the night operator at city hall.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you indicate that Patsy handled that? Did Patsy listen in on the call ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

And have you talked with her about this since?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir; she called back and gave me the time and charges on it.

Mr. Griffin.

And is there a record of that in the police department?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you get that for us ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

I would appreciate that.

Mr. Dean.

Now, when she called me back to give me the time and charges she said that the operator had further checked this number 384-3780, and that number was--the call was made from the residence of the initials R. H. W., last name [spelling] S-m-e-l-e [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Who had checked that, now?

Mr. Dean.

The police department

Mr. Griffin.

Patsy?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir; this night supervisor, Bernice Williamson in Canada, had contacted the police department there and asked them could they cross that number, or furnish her the address or name.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Bernice Williamson tell you this after you finished the telephone call?

Mr. Dean.

She told Patsy, the city hall operator this, and this is-

Mr. Griffin.

Patsy reconveyed that to you?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

And you learned this from Patsy after the conversation with Simpson ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir; this R. H. W. Smele has an address of 1141 Caldonia in Victoria.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Have you reported this to anybody else?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

I appreciate your bringing it to us then, very much. Would you sign that exhibit, Sergeant?

Mr. Dean.

[Indicating.]

Mr. Griffin.

We will certainly look into that right away. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record. )

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Sergeant, we have been off the record here awhile, and you indicated that the man said something about having been here on vacation and some other thing. Will you tell us what else?

Mr. Dean.

He said he had been here on vacation and that when he learned of the President's coming, he had stationed himself on the southwestern part of the plaza, toward the railroad tracks, and that he had a wide scope he referred to it as a full wide scope camera, and that he believed that he had gotten the assassination. He was taking pictures at the time of the assassination, and he believed that he had the building in the background, because it's in direct