Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. Immediately to their squad cars that had been parked outside and then--they reported into the basement to me for these assignments, they went immediately to these assignments, and these assignments were made at various intersections along the proposed route that Oswald would be transferred.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, was Brock in the basement at the time that you gave that assignment?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. However, he was still at the elevators then.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Patterson and Vaughn?

Mr. Dean.

They were at their stations.

Mr. Griffin.

After you made those assignments, what did you do?

Mr. Dean.

I moved back to the area, when you come out of the jail office, to the ramp, and this is when Lieutenant Pierce came up to me and appeared to be in a hurry--well now, the armored car had already backed into the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. How much before

Mr. Dean.

This armored car had backed into the ramp as I was standing here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Let's place these times a little bit. How long was it between the time that you instructed these 13 to 15 men to go on their posts and the time that the armored car arrived?

Mr. Dean.

Oh, 10 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't put down here where you made that note, about 10 minutes before armored car arrived?

Mr. Dean.

[Indicating.]

Mr. Griffin.

Okay. Now, how much time elapsed between the time you made assignment to these men and the time that you searched the basement?

Mr. Dean.

Fifteen or twenty minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Right. Why don't you put down here then 15 or 20 minutes before assignment to Elm Street?

Mr. Dean.

Elm Street?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Dean.

[Indicating.]

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, I understand about the time that the armored car arrived, or was it shortly after the armored car arrived, you had a conversation with Lieutenant Pierce?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

How much after the armored car arrived would you say that conversation occurred?

Mr. Dean.

Five minutes after the armored car arrived.

Mr. Griffin.

We don't need to mark that. And this conversation with Lieutenant Pierce occurred in the entranceway, off the Main Street ramp toward the jail office?

Mr. Dean.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody else there when you talked with Pierce?

Mr. Dean.

There were several people around, but they didn't hear his instructions to me, I am sure.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. What did Pierce tell you?

Mr. Dean.

He said for me to go to the armored car, to the rear of the armored ear, and to get him two men to go with him, and he said, "Now." Sergeant Putnam was maybe 15 or 20 feet from me, and I instructed him to get an unassigned man immediately and to go with Lieutenant Pierce, and Lieutenant Pierce, by this time, of course, he was going to get his car, or walking over to his ear. Sergeant Putnam got--told Sergeant Maxey to go with him, and those three got into Lieutenant Pierce's car with Lieutenant Pierce driving, and I went to the rear of the armored ear that had backed in, which was some, I guess 30 feet, 30 to 35 feet from where the shooting was. This armored ear backed down, and I imagine it would probably be around 30 to 35 feet. As soon as I got to the armored car I turned around and looked back, and this is when I saw Lieutenant Pierce in this plain black ear trying to get past the newsmen and to go out the wrong way.

Mr. Griffin.

Up the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Dean.

Right.