Mr. Griffin.

I see. And do you normally handle most of your duties from right within the police station?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir; I have various paperwork to do in the office at times. Generally I am out in the car, answering calls with the squads, or when they need advice, supervision, well, I generally answer their calls.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, when you met with Talbert the second time upon the second floor, did you have any idea at that time that your duties would be any different on Sunday than they were on any other-date?

Mr. Dean.

I assumed that I would probably confine myself to the city hall.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to make that assumption?

Mr. Dean.

Well, because of my seniority. It was just assumed that they would want me there.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, so you went up to the third floor then

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

And who did you talk to and who did you see up there on the third floor?

Mr. Dean.

No one in particular, I Just went up to see what was going on on the third floor. This is the first time I had been to the third floor. There were numerous cameras there, lot of cables. Just as you get off the elevator there was a lot of cameras.

Mr. Griffin.

What time would you estimate that you were up on the third floor?

Mr. Dean.

Probably 8 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you go up to the third floor again during the morning; that is between that time and the time that Oswald was shot, did you have occasion to go back to the third floor?

Mr. Dean.

I believe I did, but for no specific purpose.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, if you can separate out the different times that you might have been up there, I want to know as best you recall whether there were news people up there on the third floor when you went up this first time, around--what did you say, 8 o'clock ?

Mr. Dean.

Yes. Were there news people up there ?

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see newspaper people up there at that time?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall whether the TV cameras were manned at that time ? Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall whether these people seemed to be operating the cameras, shooting footage or did they seem to be in any sort of operation?

Mr. Dean.

They did have a monitor, small monitor set that they had the cameras on. However, they weren't broadcasting at the time. They might have been taping. I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see any other people that you thought were newsmen up there, other than those manning the cameras?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. Pressmen. Newspaper people, none of which I can recall that I knew myself.

Mr. Griffin.

What's your best estimate of the. number of news people that were up there at about 8 o'clock?

Mr. Dean.

Twenty-five, possibly.

Mr. Griffin.

Did this create to you what appeared to be a crowded condition?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how long did you remain up there on the third floor?

Mr. Dean.

Oh, maybe 10 or 15 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

And do you recall if you went into the homicide bureau?

Mr. Dean.

Sometime during that morning I did step into the homicide bureau However, I don't know who I talked to. And then there wasn't any specific reason that I did go in there. I just stepped in. The hall was very crowded. It might have been Just that I was close to the homicide office and I stepped in there to get out of the crowd, because it was the least congested. There were no newsmen or pressmen in there, no cameras.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you able to tell, when you were up there at about 8 o'clock, what the general impression seemed to be as to when Oswald would be moved

Mr. Griffin.

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