Mr. Clardy.

From along here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Don't say "along here," because that won't show up.

Mr. Clardy.

So that we'll understand what I mean here, take this. There was people back over in here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Let's call that area "B," and you are talking about area B, and you say there was a considerable amount of people?

Mr. Clardy.

Considerable amount of people back in there and from along here [indicating], across and along in here [indicating], there was--

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I am drawing a semicircle, is that approximately correct?

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And I am calling that "line X to Y."

Mr. Clardy.

I'd say there was a minimum of 15 people from here across here [indicating]

Mr. Hubert.

Minimum of 15 people in the front row, or some in the back?

Mr. Clardy.

There were some in the back.

Mr. Hubert.

So, you think there were about 15 people strung along this line that we have marked "X to Y," being a curving line, in--and that there was some back of them, and up the Main Street ramp ?

Mr. Clardy.

At the time, I didn't see anybody back up in here anywhere.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, you didn't see anybody

Mr. Clardy.

I didn't see anybody back as far as this [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Now, the second line which you have described, "as far as this," is--I'm going to mark that line and put it, for purposes of identification I'm marking it as a line designated by "1" and "2." Both numerals being encircled. I should like you to consider the area which is bounded by these two lines, "XY," and "1, 2," and the rail and at the wall is area A. Tell me how many people you think were in area A?

Mr. Clardy.

In this area here? I

Mr. Hubert.

In area A, which has been designated by you as being encompassed between line "X" and "1," that being a curving line. Line "1,"--point "1" in a point to point "2" in a circle, the rail and the wall'-

Mr. Clardy.

I'd say there was approximately four or five people up and down here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

You are describing with the pencil-

Mr. Clardy.

Where the circle is down across here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

You are describing with the pencil about four or five people along the rail lining of the basement side of the rail, is that correct?

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir--no, sir; on the ramp side.

Mr. Hubert.

Ramp side, parking area side?

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir; on the ramp side. Not the parking area side. On the--this being the ramp here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Clardy.

Coming off from Main.

Mr. Hubert.

I See what you mean, on the ramp side?

Mr. Clardy.

On the ramp side. There was a couple of uniformed officers in this area. I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

McMillon was one of them, wasn't he?

Mr. Clardy.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, it was. You put his position, also, did you see W. J. Harrison in that group?

Mr. Clardy.

W. J.? That is a detective in the juvenile bureau?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I don't know. I can't testify. I am not--well, that's all right.

Mr. Clardy.

Sir, there was a detective, I am pretty sure the one you are talking about. I don't know him real well? Mr. HUBERT. That's all right.

Mr. Clardy.

I don't know whether it was Harrison that was along in here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Now, would you make a circle and state where you think "Blackie" Harrison was at the time of the shooting?