Mr. Clardy.

I think we went to get a cup of coffee, and I asked him, and he said, "I don't know."

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the impression that he didn't know what the plans were, actually came from the statement that he himself actually told you to the effect that he didn't know ?

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, then what happened after?

Mr. Clardy.

Sometime shortly before 11, they told us to report to the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

Smart did?

Mr. Clardy.

Lieutenant Smart.

Mr. Hubert.

Lieutenant Smart.

Mr. Clardy.

Lieutenant Smart, myself, and Detective McMillon, Detective Archer and Detective Watson, and Detective Dawson out of our bureau.

Mr. Hubert.

You moved as a group ?

Mr. Clardy.

Uh-huh, all down on the same elevator, and there was some other detectives from the juvenile bureau, I am sure,. was on the same elevator. Detective Lowery, Detective "Blackie" Harrison, and possibly some others. Those, I'm sure.

Mr. Hubert.

What instructions were given to you ?

Mr. Clardy.

Went to the basement. Lieutenant Smart---

Mr. Hubert.

Speak a little louder.

Mr. Clardy.

Lieutenant Smart is the one, the only one who had any orders as to what he wanted us to do. Said, "Line up along the wall here on each side," and help keep the people back out of the way.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you do that?

Mr. Clardy.

Well, I tried to, sir. Don't look like we done much good.

Mr. Hubert.

I did not mean that to be facetious. I was simply following the line of thought. Then you followed his instructions to line the----

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I want you to take a look at this mockup here and show us where you stood, if you did stay in one place, from the time that you got down in the basement area until the shot was fired.

Mr. Clardy.

Let me get lined out here.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Clardy.

I was on this corner to---just to the right of it, most of the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's see. That would be here, isn't it? [Indicating.]

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you have marked--you have indicated on the mockup here; a position which I am now marking by a circle.

Mr. Clardy.

I was just down from the corner.

Mr. Hubert.

This way?

Mr. Clardy.

Yes.
Mr.. HUBERT. Now, I'll--

Mr. Clardy.

In other words, I was close enough to the corner that I could see around both ways. One occasion, I went and talked to Detective McMillon.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you took this position, and went over there and came back, and this is where you were at the time of the shooting?

Mr. Clardy.

At the actual shooting, I had moved approximately 3 steps to my right. As they backed this car out, apparently, some reporters tried to come across here [indicating]. And I had stepped up that way, not over---not that far up, sir. I only took 2 or 3 steps. I would say maybe probably as far as from me to you. I had stepped to my right.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, now, I have marked on Exhibit 5064, as a result of what you have stated while looking at the mockup, 2 positions concerning you. One of which I have marked, encircled, "Position of B. S. Clardy prior to shooting," and second one, which is, you say, is approximately 3 feet further towards the Commerce Street entrance.

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Which was your position at the time of the shot?

Mr. Clardy.

At no time

Mr. Hubert.

It that correct?