Mr. Hubert.

the Main Street ramp to the degree that if that were an issue in a case on which you were a juror, you would say that it is beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not enter that way?

Mr. Vaughn.

So far as the knowledge I have of it--no, sir---I do not. I think if the question is that you think I would convict him on the doubt---of the knowledge that I have that he did not enter that ramp--yes, sir, I would.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you think it is beyond a reasonable doubt, as far as you are concerned ?

Mr. Vaughn.

As far as I am concerned--yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember a man who turned out to be a police mechanic?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know his name ?

Mr. Vaughn.

Tom Chabot [spelling] C-h-a-b-o-t--I don't think I can spell it actually--anyway, Chabot.

Mr. Hubert.

When did he enter the basement?

Mr. Vaughn.

Oh, this was somewhat earlier--he pulled up in a city squad car and started into the ramp.

Mr. Hubert.

How much earlier was it, and earlier than what?

Mr. Vaughn.

It was, I would say--it was approximately--just an estimate, it would be somewhere around 10 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert.

In. other words, this man Chabot went into the basement about an hour and 20 minutes before the shooting?

Mr. Vaughn.

Somewhere around there like I said--it would strictly be an estimate on the time.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened--he tried or he went through ?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, he pulled up in a city squad car and I told him I couldn't allow him in the basement in a squad car and so, he backed the car out and he parked it on Main Street, which would be actually east toward Pearl Street from--it would be on my right from the entrance or exit there it would be on the right. He parked there and he got out and he come back and he come back up where I was standing inside the ramp, and he stood there a minute or two and talked to me, and, of course, I had known Chabot ever since I had been there. He's married to a policewoman, and he stood there a minute and he told me, he said, "I've got to check the parking situation in the basement."
He said on two previous dates he had had to work later until about 5:30--and so I told him to go ahead, due to the fact that I knew it was Sunday--I seen him driving a squad car--I thought possibly maybe they had sent for him, and there was several cars in the basement, so I told him to go ahead, and I seen him walk down in there I was standing, and he was standing in my view--I could see him, and he walked down there and I got the view when he was talking to Sergeant Dean, and in 2 or 3 minutes he had come back up. He stopped there and chatted with me a minute and never said a thing, as far as telling him to leave the basement, so then he got out and went and got in the squad car and left.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, tell us what happened when you heard the shot? "

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, after I had stepped back in there when Lieutenant Pierce had left--stepped back inside the ramp, it was, I would say, not over 3 minutes I heard somebody holier, "Here he comes," and so--I turned around and glanced--I couldn't see anything--all I could see was an outline of a few figures at the bottom.

Mr. Hubert.

You turned then so that your back was to Main Street and you were looking around ?

Mr. Vaughn.

I was standing to a side view--I turned like this and looked right Just like this a little way.

Mr. Hubert.

You looked over your shoulder?

Mr. Vaughn.

I didn't actually turn, and just immediately after that I heard something that sounded like a shot, but you know, at the point--it was something like an explosion, but it didn't sound loud enough to actually be a shot

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see any movement?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, at that time there was just mass confusion.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I'm talking about a movement after you heard somebody say, "Here he comes," and turned and looked back.