Mr. Hubert.

How do you fix that time?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, they established, I think, that the shooting occurred at 11:21 and I'm just judging by the minutes before.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, what you say is that you don't really have a direct recollection of what time it was, but you reconstructed it with the information given to you that the shooting took place at such and such a time?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes---at such and such a time.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's do it this way. How long before you heard the shot did that car driven by Rio Pierce pass by you?

Mr. Vaughn.

I would say not over 3 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did you recognize anybody in the car?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do when the car came up?

Mr. Vaughn.

The first thing I noticed the car--still standing inside the ramp-and I heard someone at the bottom of the ramp holier, "Watch the car," and when I looked down you could just get a view of the front end of the car coming up the ramp. It had its red lights on, which were in the grill. As it come on up the ramp, I stepped to my right, and it come up the ramp

Mr. Hubert.

You stepped towards Pearl Street?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes--towards Pearl Street, and I stepped to my right in order to get out of the car's way, and I stepped out on the sidewalk somewhere between the sidewalk and the curb, I believe it was right around the curb, and I glanced--it would be toward the eastbound traffic, which would be traffic towards Pearl Street to see that traffic was clear, and then motioned them on and I turned around and walked back.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not go into the street at all?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not pass the curb ?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir; not that I recall--I don't believe I did at all.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you say that when you stepped to the right and walked on the sidewalk to the curb you looked for the traffic--to your right?

Mr. Vaughn.

Actually, the way I was facing it would be to my left, which would be west.

Mr. Hubert.

It would be towards Harwood Street?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes--- towards Harwood Street.

Mr. Hubert.

Was your back then toward the ramp entrance?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir; my back was not toward the ramp, I was standing to the right of the ramp where I still had a view of the ramp itself, the entrance to the ramp. My back would have been toward Pearl Street--it would be towards the east.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever turn your head or your body toward your right, that is, toward Pearl Street?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir; not that I recall. All I done on that, Mr. Hubert, like I say, I walked out--I glanced west, which would be towards the eastbound traffic going west and due to the fact that there were cars parked along here on Main Street, I glanced to the west and seen there was an opening in the eastbound traffic, which would be coming from the west, and I Just motioned them on.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not go out in the middle of the street to halt traffic?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Were there many people standing around that entrance?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir; I would say at most, I believe, at most it would be a haft dozen, I think, who were standing there.

Mr. Hubert.

Were they standing in front or to the side?

Mr. Vaughn.

Oh, there was one particular person that I recall that was standing on my right, which would be toward Pearl Street--would be N. J. Daniels.

Mr. Hubert.

You did see him ?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

He is a former policeman ?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you recognized him as such?