Mr. Hubert.

And that was definitely about a minute before the shooting?

Mr. Newman.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

So, I think we have that one clarified, so far as that is concerned. Now, about the man jumping over the rail, what is your best thought about the timing on that?

Mr. Newman.

I have none. When I talked to Lieutenant Revill, I think this was Sunday the 1st of December, I guess it would be, and he asked me two or three times whether I had seen a man go over the rail. I couldn't recall anyone. Later, I think it was, oh, two days later, I am not sure. I did remember seeing someone go over that rail, but as I stated in that statement, I cannot, for the life of me, set the time in any figures. Just something that registered, and that was the end of it.

Mr. Hubert.

So, that when you say "it", you couldn't tell whether it was before the shooting or after, you can't tell whether it was a minute before or a minute after, 5 minutes before or 5 minutes after, or for that matter more time before or more time after?

Mr. Newman.

Well, I know not longer than 5 or 10 minutes after, because I wasn't there. I couldn't establish it at any time.

Mr. Hubert.

So, that your best recollection right now, today, .is simply that you have a recollection of a man going over the rail from the parking area into the ramp.

Mr. Newman.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

About what part of the ramp was it; do you remember?

Mr. Newman.

About midway.

Mr. Hubert.

About midway? But, you don't know?

Mr. Newman.

Just

Mr. Hubert.

The relation of it as to time of the shooting, except that it couldn't have been when you weren't there, obviously.

Mr. Newman.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

You remember how the man was dressed?

Mr. Newman.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

I'll ask you this, too: Do you know whether it was, or was not, or do you have any opinion on whether it was or was not Jack Ruby, or do you have any opinion as to who it was at all ?

Mr. Newman.

I have no opinion whatsoever. I would like to say in that, since we are talking about this incident, that when I talked to Detective Westphal--was it?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Newman.

Lieutenant Revill was out of town. He didn't indicate to me that he placed any importance on it whatsoever. I was not aware of the fact that he had even written a memo on it. Mr. Griffin, last night, did not bring it up, and I, after talking to him, dropped the subject. Didn't see fit to bring it up, or didn't even remember it.

Mr. Hubert.

What is this undated statement which we have identified as 5038-A, the one that is also unsigned? Do you know anything about that at all?

Mr. Newman.

I don't know. I would guess probably that information was taken down at the time I talked to him on the telephone. That is, by and large, the statement I made to him.

Mr. Hubert.

You had called him on the telephone as indicated, in fact, by Exhibit 5038-B, when Westphal reports on it, says, "Subject." That means you, "called this date." Did he ask you when--in other words, he left a call for you, is that correct?

Mr. Newman.

Now, I called him.

Mr. Hubert.

You called him to tell him what?

Mr. Newman.

Just to give him that information that I had remembered since I talked to him the previous time, because at the time he seemed to think it was fairly important.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did you go out to Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Newman.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you speak to a man, reserve officer by the name of Holly?

Mr. Newman.

I don't recall. I spoke to several reserve officers. I can't recall any of them as to who they were.