Mr. Miller.

part of the basement, I presume, passed back instructions for everybody to go out and line up on both sides of this hallway affair that comes out.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were yon when you received those instructions?

Mr. Miller.

I was standing in this hallway outside of the jail office windows there. There is those double doors, swinging doors that come out into the garage portion of the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you on the garage side of the swinging doors?
Mr, MILLER. No; in the basement proper.

Mr. Griffin.

How long was that before Oswald came down?

Mr. Miller.

I couldn't be definite on that, but it wasn't very long, possibly 10 minutes. I don't believe it could have been any longer than that.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, then, where did you go to?

Mr. Miller.

From the basement proper, after the orders was passed back to go outside and line up on both sides, I got on what would be the north side of this little hallway in the garage portion of the basement, where the ramp comes 'in, through the hallway that comes out there, I was on the north side of that and would be on the east side of the door that goes into the jail office.

Mr. Griffin.

And were you keeping an eye out in the basement for people who might obstruct Oswald?

Mr. Miller.

Pardon.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you keeping a look, a watch out, from your position for people who might try to obstruct Oswald?

Mr. Miller.

I was kind of watching the crowd and that, but as far as having a feeling that anything was going to happen or .

Mr. Griffin.

You were watching the crowd?

Mr. Miller.

As to orders to do any particular thing.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was the crowd that you were watching?

Mr. Miller.

They were across the ramp that goes down through there.

Mr. Griffin.

Were they up against the railing?

Mr. Miller.

Part of them were up against the railing, part of them, the best I remember, on the east side of the railing.

Mr. Griffin.

And how about, were the people strung across the Main Street ramp from the direction of the jail house, the jail office, to the railing?

Mr. Miller.

The best I remember, there was.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, now, how many lines deep would you say there were of people along-crossing the Main Street ramp on the north side just before Oswald came out?

Mr. Miller.

I recall of people being there, but as to how many rows there were or a definite number of people, it would be hard to say. The only thing on that that I could say definitely was that there were people there, and as to how many, it would just be next to impossible to say.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, as Pierce's car came out, what did you do? As Pierce's car came out of the garage, what did you do?

Mr. Miller.

I didn't do anything that I remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you look at it?

Mr. Miller.

I remember seeing a car going out the wrong way up to Main Street, but as far as looking in the

Mr. Griffin.

Did you watch it go up the ramp?

Mr. Miller.

No; because once it passes this wall there, it passes out of view.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you keep an eye on the newsmen in that area as they re-formed?

Mr. Miller.

I am sure I did, but looking over the crowd and everything, it would be hard not to see them re-form, or whatever you call it.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was Blackie Harrison standing when Pierce's car went out?

Mr. Miller.

I didn't see Officer Harrison that I remember when this car drove out.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Officer Harrison at any time down in the basement after you took your position along the north wall just outside of the jail office?

Mr. Miller.

It is possible that I did, but as far as remembering seeing him or saying anything to him after that, I couldn't say definitely.