Mr. Miller.

be definite on it. Like I say, I am sure everybody in the department was talking about it.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you hear in the car about how Ruby was shot, how Oswald was shot?

Mr. Miller.

You mean--well, Officer Harrison and myself were in one car and Detectives Lowery and Cutchshaw in another car.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you hear--what did you hear from Harrison as to how

Mr. Miller.

Again, I couldn't be definite on any part of the conversation. Like I say, I am sure we discussed the thing and talked about it, but as to any definite words, I couldn't be sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, there are various rumors that have circulated about how Ruby got into the basement, and I am sure you are familiar with all of them.

Mr. Miller.

Well, now.

Mr. Griffin.

Which of the rumors did you discuss in the automobile that you can remember?

Mr. Miller.

Well, the best I remember, the only rumor I had heard up until that time had been the one that Ruby had come in with this camera crew. Again, I can't be definite, but I believe it was on Monday, the following day, that I heard this rumor, whatever it was, that he had entered off

Mr. Griffin.

The Main Street ramp?

Mr. Miller.

The Main Street ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you got out there when you saw Cutchshaw and Lowery out there at the American Airlines, did you discuss with them this rumor about coming in with the camera?

Mr. Miller.

I am sure we did, but again I couldn't--any definite words that were said or anything like that, I couldn't be sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember anybody in that group saying that he a man come by with a camera ?

Mr. Miller.

Well, the best I remember, Detective Lowery, I believe it was, said something about this camera coming by, and I vaguely remember the camera coming by myself, but as far as a number of men and who they were that were bringing this camera in, again I couldn't say.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Harrison? Did he indicate at that time that he remembered the camera ?

Mr. Miller.

Not that I recall; no.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Cutchshaw?

Mr. Miller.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

So Lowery was the only one that you can remember talking about the camera, having seen this camera come by?

Mr. Miller.

He is the only one that I recall, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there anything else you want to tell us about the events of Sunday, November 24th?

Mr. Miller.

Well, I don't remember anything that I could tell. If I was asked a question on it and knew the answer on it, I would be more than glad to answer the question.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you heard any rumors concerning anyone who might have seen Ruby down in the basement prior to the shooting of Oswald? (Pause) Is your answer "No".?

Mr. Miller.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell me. Were you down in the basement when Rio Pierce's car drove out of the basement?

Mr. Miller.

I remember a car driving out, which would be the wrong way up towards Main Street, but as far as remembering who was driving the car, I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you standing when that car drove out?

Mr. Miller.

I was standing by the door to the Jail office, the door that comes out into the garage portion of the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

Who stationed you there?

Mr. Miller.

Nobody. Like I was telling you before, we were out in this hallway, windows, jail office. Someone that was already out in the garage

Mr. Miller.

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