Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean after that position?

Mr. Lowery.

As far as I remember, no, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Then you attribute your failure to see him to the fact that the TV lights had been turned on after that?

Mr. Lowery.

Well, the TV lights were so bright. I don't remember seeing Harrison, but I don't say that I was completely blinded by the TV lights.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ruby come up from the crowd?

Mr. Lowery.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ruby come out from the crowd ?

Mr. Lowery.

The first time I saw Ruby he was lunging, and almost instantaneously the shot was fired, and I couldn't-- I couldn't say that I saw him come from the crowd. I saw a blur, and about this time the shot was fired, and there is Jack Ruby right in front of me.

Mr. Hubert.

What side of "Blackie" Harrison did Ruby come from with relation to Harrison himself?

Mr. Lowery.

I couldn't say which side that

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know whether it was on Harrison's left side or right side?

Mr. Lowery.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the automobile that went up the ramp just before the shooting that had a flashing red light on top of it and two or three officers in the car ?

Mr. Lowery.

Well, now, that is one of the statements we changed. I remember the marked squad car being driven with Officer O'Dell going up the oh, we call it the north ramp, the wrong way, which with his red lights on, but this car only had the one officer in it, the best I remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Rio Pierce?

Mr. Lowery.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him drive a car up that ramp?

Mr. Lowery.

I will say that between the time that Officer O'Dell went up the north ramp, I couldn't tell you in minutes or seconds how much time had elapsed, but there was a plain car, and I believe it was driven by Lieutenant Pierce, and he had a couple or three other officers. I couldn't say exactly how many officers were in the car, but it did go up the ramp with red lights on going up the north ramp to the Main Street entrance.

Mr. Hubert.

That was after O'Dell had passed ?

Mr. Lowery.

Yes, sir; best I remember.

Mr. Hubert.

So, that the statement--I would ask you to have another look at the statement, which is Exhibit 5083, and ask you if it is the statement that you previously corrected so that it would refer to O'Dell. Isn't it, in fact,

correct insofar as it would deal with what you have just said about Pierce?

Mr. Lowery.

Now, here is the statement we changed.

Mr. Hubert.

I see your point, and that is that the O'dell car did not have a red light on it ?

Mr. Lowery.

Yes, sir, it did, but the O'Dell was--the O'Dell car was a marked squad car, and that was the change that we made. This O'Dell's car was the first car to go up the ramp, and he was--there was only one person in the car.

Mr. Hubert.

But, then, there was another marked car

Mr. Lowery.

There was an unmarked car.

Mr. Hubert.

There was an unmarked car, and that is Pierce?

Mr. Lowery.

Pierce was the unmarked car, and he had another officer in the car. I couldn't tell you who, or how many, or who they were.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the time interval between the O'Dell car movements up that ramp and Pierce's movements up that ramp?

Mr. Lowery.

I couldn't--I couldn't--I'd be afraid to say exactly, but probably wasn't more than a minute in that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you follow the car, or the Pierce car up the ramp with your eyes, I mean?

Mr. Lowery.

No, sir; if you will notice this [indicating] there is an offset here, and from my position here I would only see a short distance up the ramp, and there is also a drop down, air-conditioning and central-heating unit back in here that I would--if my view hadn't been obstructed by the line of people