Mr. Hubert.

And I notice that your statement says it was different.

Mr. Kriss.

No; I wasn't.

Mr. Hubert.

Even So, to clarify that, I would like you to see what this is so you can see what I am talking about. See your number on this key. This 617

Mr. Kriss.

61; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, when you get to this map--see 61 on the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Kriss.

That is the Main Street ramp. That is where I was after--it was--that is where I placed myself when they said, "Don't let anyone out of the basement."

Mr. Hubert.

All right. That will clarify it then.

Mr. Kriss.

You can see it on television. I saw it the other night again where I ran across and when they said, "Don't let anyone out of the basement," that is where I placed myself.

Mr. Hubert.

I think that is going to explain that, and in order to make it a matter of record, I am going to ask you to show your position before the shooting, and your position after the shooting on this map, but first let me identify this map by marking it, "Dallas, Tex., March 26, 1964, Exhibit No. 5108, deposition of H. M. Kriss." I am signing my name to it, and I will ask you for the purposes of identification so that the record will show that we are both talking about the same document, to put your name right there. Now, I would like you to look over there at the mockup. And on the mockup, determine where you were.

Mr. Kriss.

That is Main Street--I was right here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Now, let's see if we can find that on the map and mark it. It woud be right here, wouldn't it?

Mr. Kriss.

No; right over here [indicating]. Wouldn't it? No, here is the wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, we get at this.-

Mr. Kriss.

This is Main----

Mr. Hubert.

And this is Commerce Street.

Mr. Kriss.

Right. That is the jail right--

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Kriss.

Here is the position right here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

On the Commerce Street like that? I am drawing a circle

Mr. Kriss.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

And I am drawing the line out then and I am putting, "Position of H. M. Kriss."

Mr. Kriss.

The four----

Mr. Hubert.

Prior to the shooting?

Mr. Kriss.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I noticed on the large map that was attached to the Dallas report that--and to the key to the personnel, your number was 61, and that they had 61 in the position I am now marking in a circle. Can you tell me what the explanation of that is, sir?

Mr. Kriss.

That is confusing, because after the shooting they hollered, "Don't let anyone out of the basement." And I saw the truck over here, so I ran over here and placed myself right here.

Mr. Hubert.

Where this circle is.

Mr. Kriss.

Yes, right; that is where I placed myself.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you are at this position, but it was after the shooting instead of before?

Mr. Kriss.

After the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

So, I am placing a circle of your position.

Mr. Kriss.

After the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

And drawing a line from it and writing "Position of H. M. Kriss after the shooting."

Mr. Kriss.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Right.

Mr. Kriss.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, about how long had you been in the position you were in before the shooting and until the shooting?