Mr. Hubert.

Were you, in fact, called on Sunday?

Mr. Holly.

I don't recall now. It is pretty vague there. The day of assassination I was called, and the day Oswald was shot, I was called.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, that was the 24th of November, a Sunday.

Mr. Holly.

Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, how were you called?

Mr. Holly.

I beg your pardon, I was here Friday. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday; I sure was.

Mr. Hubert.

And at what time were you called on Sunday the 24th, the day Oswald was shot?

Mr. Holly.

It was the morning. I believe it was around 9 o'clock and they called and said for me to report downtown. They were going to try to move him out around 2 o'clock. I immediately come to town.

Mr. Hubert.

You got into uniform?

Mr. Holly.

Yes; and at the present time, I don't recall, because I got down about 5 minutes after he was shot. I reported for duty at the entrance of the Main Street entrance to the city hall.

Mr. Hubert.

He had already been shot?

Mr. Holly.

Yes-

Mr. Hubert.

To whom did you speak who gave you that information?

Mr. Holly.

Lieutenant Kriss.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you receive any assignment?

Mr. Holly.

Yes. I was assigned to direct traffic and keep traffic from bogging down in front of the city hall entrance. And I stayed there approximately 30 minutes, and then I was reassigned out at Parkland Hospital.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you go Out there?

Mr. Holly.

By the convenience of the city. We was hauled out in a squad car.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go out with any group?

Mr. Holly.

Yes; I went out with a group. There were five in our group.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you out there?

Mr. Holly.

I Was there approximately 3 hours.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was with you in that group?

Mr. Holly.

Well--

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the names?

Mr. Holly.

No; I don't. I don't recall none of the names, because I wasn't familiar with any of the boys.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, do you remember that during the time that you were out at Parkland Hospital another reserve officer approached you and stated that he had seen the man who shot Oswald coming down the ramp?

Mr. Holly.

No; he didn't approach me, because I approached him. I went over to find where I could get some water. I was stationed where the en-trace is where the Governor was, and he told me there was some coffee and water if I wanted, and I went in and when I came back I struck up a conversation with the man, and we were talking about

Mr. Hubert.

Was he a reserve officer?

Mr. Holly.

Yes; he was a reserve. And in the conversation he said that he either knew or he saw Ruby down in the city hall, knew of him getting down in there.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he speaking, from what you could tell, of Ruby being down in there on the morning that Oswald was assassinated ?

Mr. Holly.

Yes. I asked him--the conversation went like, well, how in the world could they ever let him in. Everybody knew him, which most reserves do know him.
Mr. HUBERT. You knew him ?

Mr. Holly.

Oh, yes; I knew him. I did business with him. And I would know him if I saw him. But I wasn't stationed down there, so therefore, I don't know.
And he said he saw him down there, or did see of him, or he in someway, one of the reserves had let him in, and he had a lapel pass on.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, do you know who he was, this reserve?