Mr. Harrison.

I Sure haven't.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what did you do after Ruby shot Oswald?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, I grabbed him and more or less went to the floor with him and then we took him on into the jail office.

Mr. Griffin.

And how long did you remain with him in the jail office?

Mr. Harrison.

Until he was handcuffed, and I went upstairs on the elevator with him.

Mr. Griffin.

And how long did you remain with him upstairs?

Mr. Harrison.

I didn't. I left him at the elevator. McMillon and Archer went back, took him on back to the cell, and I went back down on the elevator to the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do--you weren't present, were you, when Jack was stripped and searched?

Mr. Harrison.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got back down to the basement, where did you go?

Mr. Harrison.

I went back out into the ramp area.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you--how long did you remain in the ramp area ?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, it was about--until after the ambulance left with Oswald, and then the captain--I believe it was Captain Jones--sent me up to the first floor to see that no one come in there in that--on the first floor that wasn't authorized. We were given orders to stop everyone and see if they were going out of the building to find out who they were.

Mr. Griffin.

Whereabouts did you station yourself on the first floor?

Mr. Harrison.

I was right there in front of the elevators, at the elevator door.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you there alone?

Mr. Harrison.

There was--well, there was three or four more officers on that floor. There was one at every door and exit.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Officer Miller up there with you?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't recall where Miller was at that time.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Officer Lowery up there with you?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't recall.

Mr. Griffin.

Officer Cutchshaw?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't know whether they were or not.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk to anybody while you were up there or before you got up there concerning how Ruby got into the basement?

Mr. Harrison.

No; I told Chief Batchelor, just after I come back downstairs from taking him up--I told Chief Batchelor that I thought he come from behind those cameras over there, but--and that is where I thought he come from at that time.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, why did you think he came from behind the cameras?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, there was-he came from my left, and I don't see how he could get down the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

Why did you feel that way?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, I knew there was an officer on the ramp and I just didn't feel like he could have gotten down there.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you also feel that you would have seen him if he had come down that ramp?

Mr. Harrison.

No, not necessarily; because I wasn't looking toward the ramp all of the time. I never--had I been turned where I could have seen the ramp all of the time, I may have seen him coming down.

Mr. Griffin.

If Jack had been in that--were you moving around such after Rio Pierce's Car moved that, if Jack had been down there in the basement area, you would have seen him ?

Mr. Harrison.

Not necessarily; it is possible that he could have been down there and I wouldn't have seen him because he had been back over in this group of newsmen.

Mr. Griffin.

All right; but if he had been in the area of the ramp, if he had been up in this area where you were and around up toward the Main Street ramp, would you have seen him if he had been in there ?

Mr. Harrison.

I might have. I don't--I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

There weren't enough news people milling around up in that area to have obscured him, were there?