Mr. Griffin.

Feel free at any time to interrupt me. Go ahead. You wanted to ask me.

Mr. Harrison.

I made these two things setting too far away. Actually, this camera was setting in this first aisle,'one of them was.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Harrison.

The cameras were right in line here.

Mr. Griffin.

And you were making an effort to steer these news people over into this area and away from the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Harrison.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you recall when Sam Pierce's car drove out?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes, sir; I do. I let the--I had to move the people back out of the way. There was actually two cars went out.

Mr. Griffin.

There were two cars?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, tell me about that.

Mr. Harrison.

Well, there was a patrolman went out that direction in a squad car.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know who that was?

Mr. Harrison.

I believe it was Mr. O'Dell.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how long before or after Pierce's car did he go out?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, now, it was some 3 or 4 or 5 minutes, something like that, I am sure.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, let's focus on Mr. O'Dell's car, then. Was anybody in the car with him?

Mr. Harrison.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know what--for what purpose he went out?

Mr. Harrison.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

What division is he assigned to?

Mr. Harrison.

Radio patrol.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, were you aware, while you were down in the basement, of anybody being dispatched to change the positioning of the people along the street who were supposed to block off Elm Street?

Mr. Harrison.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any knowledge at all of how the route was to go, how Oswald was to be conveyed ?

Mr. Harrison.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have any knowledge as to what was to be used to convey him?

Mr. Harrison.

Well, when we got down there, they were bringing this armored car, backing the armored car, into the south end or Commerce Street side of the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

DO you recall or would you have been in a position to see whether the armored car was actually in the ramp when you arrived on the scene?

Mr. Harrison.

They were backing it in at the time that we came out into the driveway.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Were you able to tell whether it would appear that it had just got to the ramp or how long it had been there?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did O'Dell get his car from ?

Mr. Harrison.

I don't know that. The first time I noticed it was when he came up here through the newsmen. I got them to move back where he could get by, and then there was a couple of men standing up here talking. believe it was one of the--one of the supervisors talking to a reserve captain, who was standing there. I believe it was Arnett. I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, there were at the time that O'Dell's car went out, there were police officers in the direction of the Main Street ramp, closer to Main Street than you were?

Mr. Harrison.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you place on there all of the all right. Let me strike that. Go ahead. Tell me what you want to say.