Mr. Griffin.

From your recollection of that TV film, could you see the third man on the camera pushing it through?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

No; the only two I could see was just the two that I gave a description. It was one on the right that had, I think, the greenish-type shirt, and the one on the left that had the black coat.

Mr. Griffin.

Try to remember that TV film. Did that TV film which you saw, did that show the camera as it came through the door?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did it show the man looking up at you?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I don't remember whether it did or not.

Mr. Griffin.

Is the camera shot taken from such a position that if there had been a third man behind the camera, it would have showed up on the TV picture?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Now, the camera shot on this one that was coming up on the door was a straight-on shot, and whether they would show up, I didn't see any other man. If he had been there, he would be directly behind the stand.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall how far that TV picture of the men coming out of the swinging doors follows the camera as it proceeds through the swinging doors? Out past Lowery? Does it show Lowery up on the TV?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I don't remember whether it does or not, because at the time I saw the film, I was just looking at the camera to see whether I could see anybody behind it or not. The way the picture was on the film, it shows the camera coming out, and it was passing out of range of the TV camera that was taking the pictures at the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how soon after Oswald was shot did you view those TV films?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Was it before or after Lieutenant Wallace reported to you that he could solve the problem of the third man?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I believe it was after.

Mr. Griffin.

You saw the film after you talked to Wallace?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall in looking at those TV films whether you show up in the TV film ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

On one of the films I do, but whether it was on the TV or one of the camera pictures, I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, on the films that you watched, do you recall whether those films show you looking at the men?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Like I say, I don't even remember seeing them. You know, one showed me, but I think I was looking almost straight out at an angle from the door where I was standing.

Mr. Griffin.

In any other films which you have seen, is there depicted the episode where the newsmen moved out from the position that you have marked with an "N" on the north wall of the entranceway to between the jail office and the ramp? Does it show that man coming out and your motioning him back as you have described ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

No; I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

I am asking you these questions because I am trying to get you to refresh your recollection even more.

Now, Detective Cutchshaw, we all know that shortly after Ruby shot Oswald, a certain amount of heat was focused on Blackie Harrison. You are aware of that, aren't you ?
Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, I want you to tell me honestly--I think you have tried to be strictly forthright to me in describing this camera. Do you think that your concern about Harrison in any way has affected what you remembered about this event?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

None whatsoever.

Mr. Griffin.

Didn't Harrison indicate shortly after this event that he was worried about this, because Ruby had come right past him ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes.