Mr. Croy.

they were trying to do was clear a hall because they were crowded right up to the entrance right here.

Mr. Griffin.

You say there was a group that was standing across the Main Street ramp that wasn't pushed back?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you standing? Would you mark on the diagram where you were standing when the order was given to push the people back?

Mr. Croy.

Do you want me to put an "X"?

Mr. Griffin.

Put a "C" in there and put a circle around it.

Mr. Croy.

[Complies.]

Mr. Griffin.

Did you turn around and move the crowd back?

Mr. Croy.

'There was a man with a camera, movie camera, sitting on his shoulder, standing next to me.

Mr. Griffin.

Which direction were you facing?

Mr. Croy.

I was facing to the south.

Mr. Griffin.

Toward Commerce Street?

Mr. Croy.

Yes; he would have been to my left. And there was also another fellow standing just slightly in back of him.
And when he gave this order to move the people back, I thought he referred to everyone moving against the rail, because I was in back of this other group of the press. I didn't bother with them. I let the ones in front of them take care of them, and I turned to the man with the camera and this other fellow and told them to move back against the rail.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you recognize this other fellow?

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, then, what did you do?

Mr. Croy.

I turned back around and watched the reporters in front of me.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see someone there that you recognized ?

Mr. Croy.

Where?

Mr. Griffin.

Where the reporters were in front of you?

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, maybe I don't understand your affidavit here. You stated in here, "someone in authority gave instructions to move the press back against the rail. At that time I turned and told two men standing to my left to move back against the rail. One of these men had a motion picture camera. The other one was in a dark maroon coat with black thread woven into it. He was wearing a black hat. My father has a coat something similar to the man I spoke to.
"I then turned my attention back to the reporters which were standing in front of me. I believe this man to have been Jack Ruby." The "to" is underlined. Which man are you referring to?

Mr. Croy.

The man with the maroon coat that was standing to my left. The other man I told to move back against the rail.

Mr. Griffin.

Miss Reporter, would you please turn back in your notes and read where he referred to the position of the reporters ? (The following questions and answers were read:
"Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see someone there that you recognized ? "Mr. CROY. Where? "Mr. GRIFFIN. Where the reporters were in front of you? "Mr. CROY. No.")

Mr. Griffin.

Will the reporter please indicate in the record what portion was read back to the witness? Now, you heard the reporter read back that testimony.

Mr. Croy.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't understand. You have said here, if I understand it in your affidavit, that you saw a man whom you believed to be Jack Ruby.

Mr. Croy.

I believed when I wrote that up it was him.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Now, have you since come to believe that that man wasn't Jack Ruby?

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You still believe that man was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Croy.

To myself, I still believe it was Jack Ruby.