Mr. Croy.

No. There wasn't any squads bringing prisoners in, that I recall. I don't recall any of that. I recall one car leaving, going up the south ramp, one car that I know of, because I knew who was in that car. And other than that one and the one that went up the north ramp, I don't recall any other cars going out of the basement area. There could have been.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how much- before you saw that one last car go up the Main Street ramp, how long would you say you had been in the basement? How long before that had you been at your station in the basement ?

Mr. Croy.

What do you mean ?

Mr. Griffin.

Let me start over again. How long had you been at this station which you had at the base of the Main Street ramp prior to the time that the last car went up the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Croy.

How long had I been in the basement before then ?

Mr. Griffin.

How long had you been in the general area at the base of the ramp? Continuously ?

Mr. Croy.

I don't know, I guess a couple or 3 minutes, something like that. I remember that because he nearly ran over my toes.

Mr. Griffin.

While you were standing at the base of the ramp prior to the time that the car went up the ramp, do you remember whether any equipment of any sort was moved into the basement area ?

Mr. Croy.

Equipment?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Croy.

Just anything moved in there?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall any activities of newspaper people or of TV people?

Mr. Croy.

Oh, they were milling all over the place.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall any movement of equipment?

Mr. Croy.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember a TV camera being rolled through the swinging double doors at the entrance, almost at the entrance to the Main Street ramp or the bottom ramp, and being wheeled in any direction? Being pushed, a TV camera ?

Mr. Croy.

I don't recall any bringing in there. They had them down there in the basement all morning, that I remember. I don't remember bringing in any more in there.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you recall the three TV cameras being stationed there ? At this point I would like to hand you my pen and ask you if you would mark on them?

Mr. Croy.

You want an "X"?

Mr. Griffin.

Make a rectangle and write TV inside of it.

Mr. Croy.

[Marks.]

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you have indicated on the map that there were two behind the railing, sort of directly opposite the hallway that leads out from the double doors?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And that there was a third one over against the railing of the entrance to the garage closer to Commerce Street?

Mr. Croy.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you sure that all of those were placed in that position that they were in, or do you think they could have been someplace else?

Mr. Croy.

They were placed there when I walked in the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Would you tell us what happened at the time that this automobile went up the Main Street ramp? Which side of the automobile were you standing on? Were you standing between it and the railing, or were you standing between it and the wall?

Mr. Croy.

It and the wall on the left hand side of the car.

Mr. Griffin.

About how many people were in that area, would you say, in the general area across from the wall that you were near, and the railing across?

Mr. Croy.

Police officers and press?