Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you all parked your car near Pearl Street and didn't even walk up or ride up the alley at all?

Mr. Brock.

Oh, no; we walked back out and went down the street sidewalk.

Mr. Hubert.

Went down Pearl Street to Commerce?

Mr. Brock.

Went down Commerce, cut across a parking lot to Commerce, down to the city hall that way.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say it was about what time?

Mr. Brock.

A few minutes after 9.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Brock.

I don't know exactly.

Mr. Hubert.

Whom did you report to? What did you do?

Mr. Brock.

We reported to 511 patrol office, to Lieutenant Pierce.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Rio Pierce?

Mr. Brock.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Rio Pierce, I think you call him ?

Mr. Brock.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What orders did he give you?

Mr. Brock.

He told us just to sit down there for a few minutes, until they decided what they wanted us to do. Then about 9:20, I guess it was, he told me to go down to the basement and report to Sergeant Dean and Sergeant Putnam.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Patrick Dean, I think ?

Mr. Brock.

P. T. Dean.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you report to him ?

Mr. Brock.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Then what happened?

Mr. Brock.

Sergeant Putnam assigned me on what they call the elevator area there, there in the basement at the east end of the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

About what time were you posted there?

Mr. Brock.

It would be about 9:30, I would imagine.

Mr. Hubert.

What were your orders?

Mr. Brock.

To not let anyone in except police officers and members of the press.

Mr. Hubert.

Into what?

Mr. Brock.

Into the basement area.

Mr. Hubert.

From what?

Mr. Brock.

Well, about from anywhere see there was an elevator there that goes to the next floor on it--in the municipal building.

Mr. Hubert.

You are talking about the service elevator, are you ?

Mr. Brock.

Yes, sir; there is a service elevator, and the other elevators, they 'were not working, but the service elevator was the one.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know they weren't working?

Mr. Brock.

Well, I presumed they wasn't. They never did open the time I was--actual time I was there.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware of a fire staircase in that general area ?

Mr. Brock.

There was a, I believe it is, right to the right around the corner from the elevators on the

Mr. Hubert.

Be to your

Mr. Brock.

Be to the left of the elevators, I guess it would be then.

Mr. Hubert.

If you were facing the east elevator?

Mr. Brock.

Yes, sir; I was in a position where I could watch it and the elevator, too.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I want--you know, it won't show up on here, so, I want to show you a map or chart of the basement area and in order to identify it so that the record may show that we are both talking about the same thing, I am going to ask you to sign this with me, and I am marking it, "Dallas, Texas, March 26, 1964." This will be Exhibit 5113, deposition of A. R. Brock. I am signing my name beneath that and I'll ask you to sign your name just for the purposes of identification. And now have a look at the map and I would just like you to put, not one spot, because obviously, you can't stand in one spot, but just sort of draw by making sort of an area, circle or oblong just the way you walked and watched.