Mr. Griffin.

Off the record. (Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Griffin.

Let the record reflect that Mr. Davis has left the room, and I hope the record reflects that we had a short break, a very short break, about 2
minutes, and we are back and ready to go. Would you read the last part back? (The record was here read by the reporter. )

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to mark for identification, Dallas, Tex, Captain nett, 3-25-64, Exhibit 5035, and I am going to hand this to you. I am going to ask you, Captain Arnett, if what I am showing you is the dictaphone belt case with
the red arrow on it that you identified earlier in the testimony [indicating] ?

Mr. Arnett.

Do you want me to initial it [indicating] ?

Mr. Griffin.

Now, is the side which I have got the identification on the side that I showed you?

Mr. Arnett.

It was up like this. Yes [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

I mean the side [indicating].

Mr. Arnett.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, would you sign that?

Mr. Arnett.

Just sign it?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes, sir. Okay. Now, I am also going to mark for identification, Dallas, Tex. Captain Arnett, 3-25-64, Exhibit 5036. Now, this is the diagram of the basement on which you placed markings indicating where you and Harrison and King and the reporter were standing, [indicating] ?

Mr. Arnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Just before Oswald came out?

Mr. Arnett.

[Nods head.]

Mr. Griffin.

Now, just before Oswald came out, did you see a man right next to Blackie Harrison's left?

Mr. Arnett.

To his left?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Arnett.

As he would face up Commerce Street?

Mr. Griffin.

As Blackie would face Commerce Street, did you see a man to his left?

Mr. Arnett.

Well now, there were men out, you know, on the camera and stuff, to his left, if that's what you are talking about.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see anybody standing to his left, other than men manning the cameras?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I wouldn't say for certain that I did, because he may have been the last one in that row, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, he was in the front row, wasn't he; Blackie?

Mr. Arnett.

He was in front of me; yes. And I would say he was in the front row, but--

Mr. Griffin.

Was there a solid line of people between Blackie and the TV cameras, in the row that Blackie was standing in?

Mr. Arnett.

It seems to me like there was somebody by the side of Blackie, but I am not going to say that there were because the first time I saw Jack Ruby he was to his left, coming up. Now, whether there was somebody right beside of Blackie Harrison, I am not going to say.

Mr. Griffin.

The first time you saw Jack he was sort of hunched over with the gun?

Mr. Arnett.

He was hunched over. He was in this position, and whenever he shot him he went down like that [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Ruby when he was moving toward Oswald ?

Mr. Arnett.

I saw him moving from where I told you, up to Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever see Ruby standing still?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you recall whether there was a solid line of people or how that line of people was from Blackie Harrison on to the TV cameras?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, like I said, I think there was somebody the other side of him, but I am not going to be certain about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, were there any other police officers up in the same row that Blackie Harrison was in?