Mr. Arnett.

Well, he was just to the left of Blackie Harrison. Now, whether he was out in front in this manner right in front of King, I wouldn't say for certain [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Are you able to state whether Ruby was a different man from the man you saw next to you holding the pad?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, yes; I would say he was a different man.

Mr. Griffin.

How are you able to state that?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I don't believe the newsman was dressed like Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

But did you see that newsman again?

Mr. Arnett.

Did I see him again; is that the question?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. After the shooting?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I couldn't say whether I did or not.

Mr. Griffin.

How would you describe the dress of that newsman; did he have on a hat?

Mr. Arnett.

I don't believe he did.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he wear glasses?

Mr. Arnett.

I couldn't say.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have a suit on?

Mr. Arnett.

I thought he had a kind of raincoat, jacket on, something of that type/

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you see that man around before Oswald was shot?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I had been in this position, I said 15 minutes, and so far as I know Blackie Harrison had been standing in front of me all that time, and this man beside me, I believe, had been there all this time. I believe they had all been there all this time.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, about I minute before Oswald was shot there was a car that drove up and split the lines up?

Mr. Arnett.

That's right. I don't know whether it was I minute.

Mr. Griffin.

But shortly before?

Mr. Arnett.

Shortly before there was; yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that man standing over next to you before the car went up the ramp; was that man in the raincoat next to you before the car went up the ramp?

Mr. Arnett.

I believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you sure of that?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I think he was.

Mr. Griffin.

What makes you think he was?

Mr. Arnett.

Well, I think I remember him being there with me.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you talked to Captain King about this man ?

Mr. Arnett.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how long did you remain in the police building after the shooting of Oswald ?

Mr. Arnett.

After the shooting?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Arnett.

Whenever he shot Oswald, I made a dive for him, and L. C. Graves, the detective, had him, and he had him like this, had the gun like this, and they were scuffling. I got him by the leg. I don't know what leg I got him by, but I got him by the leg, and I would say there were seven or eight of us had ahold of him. We carried him back into the jail office, and while we had him down, handcuffed, he said, "I am Jack Ruby. All of you know. me." They had him handcuffed by that time. I turned him loose and walked back over here where Oswald was laying [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, let me ask you this: how long were' you in the building the rest of the day?

Mr. Arnett.

I believe I went home about 1:30.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, by the time you went home had you heard any rumors about how Ruby got down into that basement?

Mr. ARNETT. That day?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Arnett.

I don't believe so. I have heard rumors since then, but I didn't that day.