marking "Area A," and I'm going to draw another general oblong figure which I am marking "Area B," and I would like you to tell us for the record--
Captain TALBERT. May I inject another

Mr. Hubert.

Well, then, I will mark another oblong area, which I will call "Area C."
Captain TALBERT. All right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I would like you to describe that for the record--that is, what were the conditions of those areas particularly with reference to congestion of people?
Captain TALBERT. Across from "Area A," there was complete double line and in some instances triple line of men. That was men with cameras. and those without. Just the reporters who had no cameras, and in "Area B," in the center of "Area B" I.--

Mr. Hubert.

Before you leave "Area A," would you say that the men were shoulder to shoulder?
Captain TALBERT. Oh, more than that. Crammed in there. Jammed---

Mr. Hubert.

Touching each other?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And about three ranks back toward Main Street?
Captain TALBERT. That is my impression, yes, sir, about three ranks back.

Mr. Hubert.

Describe "Area B," then?
Captain TALBERT. And "Area B," you had a railing as indicated here by a dotted line. In front of that railing you had at least two or--probably three ranks of people all the way down to the turnoff area, which is the beginning of "Area C." In the center of "Area D," there were two fixed cameras.

Mr. Hubert.

Television cameras?
Captain TALBERT. Television cameras, yes, sir. The others were movie or still cameras and other cameramen, or strictly reporters, and in "Area C," we had a fairly dense group in the immediate Main Street side, and two to three ranks over towards the Commerce Street side dividing it in half.
Now, immediately after Lieutenant Pierce informed me of the change in plans, we had to remove the people from the ramps so that he could get out on the Main Street side, and they immediately closed back up, and, as he cleared the parking area to enter the ramp, a plain white or light-colored car pulled onto it, and pulled up behind the armored car on the Commerce Street side, and another plain light-colored car attempted to pull up behind him, but he wasn't up far enough, so, we had to holier at them to pull up a little further, which he did. That car was attempting to back in, and had to cut to the left in order to back up the vehicle go to the right to get back into the jail-office entrance. That was my understanding of his efforts to do, and the news media was crowding in on him, so, that there was danger of him running over them with his vehicle, should it move. So, I was by the left front fender of that vehicle, Chief Batchelor was to my right, Captain O. A. Jones to my left and we were and one or two---perhaps more reserve officers were there, too, pushing the news media back to let that car hove room to maneuver.

Mr. Hubert.

I am going to mark on the map an area which I am marking "auto," and-
Captain TALBERT. All right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

With the understanding that the front of it indicated by an arrow is pointed toward Commerce Street? Captain TALBERT. All right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Now, would you mark the circle where you were about the time of the event you have just described ?
Captain TALBERT. This auto is angled in here.

Mr. Hubert.

Maybe we had better angle it then
Captain TALBERT. Would you like that black pen ?

Mr. Hubert.

You do it. We are changing the blue-pen marking because Captain Talbert indicates that the automobile was on an angle, and he is now marking it with the black pen. Would you put the word "auto," in that, please. Now, draw a circle and indicate where you were standing.
Captain TALBERT. I was standing by the left front fender of the car, as I previously said.
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