Mr. Stevenson.

I did not inspect them; no, sir. I do not know of my own knowledge, but usually on a Sunday, those doors are locked.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that statement true about the door on the alley?

Mr. Stevenson.

To my knowledge, only the maintenance crews have keys.

Mr. Hubert.

Now were any policemen assigned to any of those three entrances from the outside into the first floor of the municipal building? To wit, Main Street entrance, Commerce Street entrance, and the service door on the alley ?

Mr. Stevenson.

To my own knowledge, I don't know whether Captain Talbert told me that he had security on the outside of the doors of the city hall and the municipal building, but I did not go out and check those to see.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware then--that is to say, on November 24th, of the position of two reserve officers called Brock and Worley?

Mr. Stevenson.

Not by name; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know that there were two reserve officers in the basement area, one of them near the elevators and one of them near the

Mr. Stevenson.

This is a driveway into the parking area.

Mr. Hubert.

The driveway into the parking area proper ?

Mr. Stevenson.

To my own knowledge, no, sir; I don't. I did not go back to the elevators over here to check on that. My officers were in this general area in here.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, you are indicating from the intersection of the jail corridor and the rams at the basement?

Mr. Stevenson.

Directly out in front of the Jail office entrance, and in this area in here, and up this way and back here.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know anything about the removal of those two men from the positions indicated ?

Mr. Stevenson.

No, sir; I do not.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did you observe the shooting?

Mr. Stevenson.

No, sir; I did not witness the shooting. If I may explain that, when Mr. Dhority backed the car that was to carry Lee Harvey Oswald to the county Jail, then, as I have stated before, I stepped to the west side of it and was right about the front hinge of the door. I heard someone remark "They are coming out." I looked around and observed Captain Fritz coming right through here.

Mr. Hubert.

From the Jail corridor?

Mr. Stevenson.

From the Jail corridor. When I saw him, I immediately directed my attention to the overall basement area of our security setup to observe anything that went on, and they had not taken but a few steps and had not reached the back of the car when I heard a shot, and immediately again I directed by attention to the prisoner and observed a group of. officers, I would say, some 8 or 10, subduing someone. And as I stepped back here, I saw Detective Graves who had been with Oswald.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say, "stepped back"

Mr. Stevenson.

Back to where the shooting had taken place, I saw him rise from the crowd with a gun in his hand still holding it around the cylinder. Ruby was picked up and taken into the Jail office, who I afterwards learned was Ruby, and Oswald was also carried into the jail office. Lieutenant Wiggins instructed an ambulance to be called. I then stepped back out of the jail.
When the shooting took place, the officers on the Main Street ramp, this one up here

Mr. Hubert.

That would be Mr. Vaughn?

Mr. Stevenson.

I don't know that he was one that pulled his gun, but there were several reserve officers and other officers down in here.

Mr. Hubert.

That is on the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Stevenson.

I was told by, I believe it was, Captain Jones, that the officers up there had their guns out. And I stepped back out of the jail office after seeing that Ruby and Oswald had been taken care of. The north ramp was quiet, but the officers were having difficulty with people.

Mr. Hubert.

On the Commerce Street ramp?