Mr. Jenner.

You got in fights, too, didn't you?

Mr. Pic.

Sure.

Mr. Jenner.

And your brother Robert?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

These are not fights that you would regard as other than boys getting into?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is, it wasn't because he was unduly belligerent?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Go ahead.

Mr. Pic.

He got in his usual trouble around the neighborhood as far as getting in people's yards, probably, and letting the dog go astray, normal healthy boy.
I think as he became older, prior to me entering the service, he became slightly cocky and belligerent toward his mother. He never showed any of this toward Robert or myself. I am afraid it probably rubbed off of Robert and myself and it affected Lee, because we didn't really take much stock into what she was saying. I don't think we were as cocky, as belligerent as he was. There was--

Mr. Jenner.

Do you think that was a defensive mechanism, on his part?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; I think so.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your mother ever say anything around your home about that employers were overreaching her, and employers overreached poor working people or anything along those lines?

Mr. Pic.

No; she always reminded us she worked like a slave to provide for us three boys. She couldn't wait for a day we would grow up and support her.
When Lee visited us in New York he came there a friendly, nice easy-to-like kid.

Mr. Jenner.

This is 1952 in the summer?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; he had the interest of boys at that age, the Museum of Natural History, sightseeing excursions and so forth. Until the incident where I talked to him we never had a bad word between us other than maybe joking or playing around. I tried to interest him in a hobby of building boats or collecting stamps again while he was--

Mr. Jenner.

Had he been interested in those two hobbies?

Mr. Pic.

Yes; he and I, all three of us collected stamps. I played chess with Lee quite a bit and Robert, too. We all did this. Played monopoly together, the three of us.
When I approached him on this knife-pulling incident he became very hostile towards me. And he was never the same again with me.

Mr. Jenner.

That was the first time he had ever been hostile in that sense towards you?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And that rupture was never repaired thereafter?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have the impression when you saw him on Thanksgiving of 1962 that in the meantime he had become embittered, resentful of his station?

Mr. Pic.

Well, sir; the Lee Harvey Oswald I met in November of 1962 was not the Lee Harvey Oswald I had known 10 years previous. This person struck me as someone with a chip on his shoulder, who had these purposes I mentioned, to do something about.

Mr. Jenner.

What purposes?

Mr. Pic.

To repay the Government and get his discharge changed.
It appeared to me that he was a good father towards his child, and not knowing the conversation between he and his wife I couldn't form much of an opinion there.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, sir; that is about it.

Mr. Pic.

OK, sir; thank you very much.

Mr. Jenner.

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