Mr. Pic.

were in the boat there was Robert, myself, and my oldest boy, and at this time I asked him about Lee, I asked him if he considered or thought that Lee was a little on the pink side and just how he was getting along. Robert informed me that he had had seen FBI agents once in awhile who said Lee was doing pretty good and that there was nothing to worry about. And all reports that he had had were favorable towards Lee.

Mr. Jenner.

Robert did tell you that-the FBI had checked with him?

Mr. Pic.

He had seen an agent now and then, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

He didn't elaborate as to whether the FBI had come to visit him or whether he had merely run into some FBI agent?

Mr. Pic.

I had the impression that they had visited him where he worked, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you hear anything else about your brother from that occasion up to but not including November 22, 1963?

Mr. Pic.

Well, other information I gathered from my talks with Robert in those few days was that Lee and Marina made the trip to see them in Fort Worth fairly regular, to have dinner, things like this. It seems that Vada and Marina were at one time, I was told, talking---

Mr. Jenner.

By whom?

Mr. Pic.

By Vada, Marina was trying to make a point about her wedding ring being she couldn't speak English, Vada got the impression that Marina had been married before.

Mr. Jenner.

That Marina had been married before?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir;this is the only thing she could gather from Marina flashing her wedding ring and talking about this. The four of us were present, Robert, myself, and the two wives. But this was done over coffee.

Mr. Jenner.

This was after Lee and Marina had left?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; this was after they had left.

Mr. Jenner.

What did Robert say on that subject, if anything?

Mr. Pic.

Nothing. That he didn't think she had been married before.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you visit your brother Robert, and did he visit you subsequent to that occasion on Thanksgiving up to but not including November 22, 1963?

Mr. Pic.

A couple or 3 days prior to Christmas of 1962, Robert and his family returned the visit to our home in San Antonio, sir. I asked Robert this time if he had seen or heard from Lee since we had last seen him and he told me, no.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any comment on that subject that he had not heard from Lee up to that time?

Mr. Pic.

It was really only a matter of 3 or 4 weeks at the most, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

So it didn't occasion any surprise on your part?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you given any other information by Robert with respect to Lee?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; not that I recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you see Robert again subsequent to this pre-Christmas Party 1962?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And up to but not including November 22, 1963?

Mr. Pic.

I still haven't seen him since Christmas 1962.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you corresponded?

Mr. Pic.

We have written a few letters, and I was permitted to make a phone call to him right after the assassination.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say in the course of that conversation? What did you say?

Mr. Pic.

This was--I was permitted to make the phone call after Lee's murder. The Secret Service said I could contact Robert. He had called where I worked and left a number. I contacted the Secret Service. They told me go ahead and call this number, call them back and tell them the gist of the conversation.
I called him up at this number. Someone answered the phone and I asked for Robert and they called him to the phone. He told me that he and his--told me his wife and children were at the farm with her folks, I believe that is what he told me. That he was--he couldn't tell me where he was but he was in Arlington, Tex.