Mr. Jenner.

Was he inclined to remain in the house rather than go out and play with other children?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; he was more inclined to stay in the house than go out and play.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that noticeable to you?

Mr. Pic.

I wasn't there that much, sir; I was working and going to school,
both. I wasn't there to observe this.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Pic.

Except maybe on a weekend occasionally.

Mr. Jenner.

But you did notice that when they came to New York in 1952, particularly in the fall of 1952, that by that time he had become quite headstrong?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And that his mother and your ,mother Marguerite, had pretty well lost any influence or control over him?

Mr. Pic.

That is absolutely true, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Now, we brought you up to enlistment in January 1953.

Mr. Pic.

On the occasion when we visited them in February 1953.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Pic.

At this same time in February 1953, I received orders to go aboard ship again, so from the time period February 1953, until September 1953, I was in and out of New York at sea.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you see either your mother or Lee during that period of time?

Mr. Pic.

I did not see Lee after the February visit, sir. I had seen her on several occasions.

Mr. Jenner.

During this---

Mr. Pic.

Downtown where she worked.

Mr. Jenner.

She was still working in Lerner's in the spring and summer of 1953 or had she changed jobs?

Mr. Pic.

To my best recollection it was still Lerner's.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall her working at a hosiery shop during this period of time rather than Lerner's?

Mr. Pic.

I wouldn't remember, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

She might have been but you just don't have a recollection?

Mr. Pic.

Wherever she was working at the time, I mean she shifted jobs quite often and it is kind of hard keeping track of them.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she have difficulty with her employers, get along with fellow workers at these various shops?

Mr. Pic.

Whenever she changed jobs she always gave me a rationalized answer.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that is a conclusion. Tell me what it was.

Mr. Pic.

I remember once, it may have been the Lerner shop or it may have been this hosiery shop which you are referring to, that she told me that they let her go because she didn't use an underarm deoderant. That was the reason she gave me, sir. She said she couldn't do nothing about it. She uses it but if it don't work what can she do about it.
Other times whenever she changed jobs it was always because the next job was better.

Mr. Jenner.

During the time, on the occasions when you saw her, which was relatively infrequent from January of 1953 to, what is the next date you gave, September of 1953?

Mr. Pic.

August-September 1953.

Mr. Jenner.

August of 1953, September of 1953, was there any discussion with her about Lee?

Mr. Pic.

When I asked about him it was the same old stuff, he is getting along better. She would tell me that he still doesn't have anybody to confide in, things like this.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any further discussion about truancy, any possibility of care for him by a psychiatrist?