(Testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine)
Mrs. Paine.
No.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did she ever indicate that De Mohrenschildt was in any way involved or related to the separation that occurred between herself and her husband?
Mrs. Paine.
No.
Mr. Liebeler.
I don't think I have any more questions. However, I would like to ask you one more.
You have previously been questioned about and have heard about a supposed telephone call that was supposed to have been made from Michael Paine's office to your home shortly after the assassination, and I do not represent that I have knowledge of such call--that such call was ever made, but as you know, there were rumors to the effect that this man and woman together in this conversation--that one of them said that he wasn't really responsible for the assassination and they both knew who was and I think both you and Michael have testified about this before and have denied that there was any such telephone conversation between you and anyone.
Was there a telephone conversation of any kind between you and Michael between your residence and Michael's office on November 22 or November 23, 1963?
Mrs. Paine.
I have testified to the fact that Michael called--I don't know whether it was from the cafeteria where he had been eating or more likely from his office, to my home, on the 22d. He had learned of the assassination at lunchtime and called to tell me to find out if I knew it, and this was the entire substance of the conversation. I told him I did know--from watching TV.
Mr. Liebeler.
Was that the only telephone conversation between those two numbers on those 2 days that you know of?
Mrs. Paine.
Yes.
Mr. Liebeler.
Have you ever thought or had reason to believe that Marina Oswald was responsible in any way for Oswald's assassinating the President?
Mrs. Paine.
No.
Mr. Liebeler.
And you never meant to suggest anything or never said anything that would suggest that to Michael or anybody else?
Mrs. Paine.
No---never--that has absolutely not occurred to me.
Mr. Liebeler.
Of course; my question doesn't mean to imply that she is so responsible. Had you and Michael ever discussed Oswald's alleged attack on General Walker?
Mrs. Paine.
You mean since the assassination of President Kennedy--have we discussed it?
Mr. Liebeler.
Yes--at any time.
Mrs. Paine.
I suppose we have--I'm sure we have talked of it.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did Michael ever indicate to you in any way that he had knowledge of Oswald's attack on General Walker prior to November 22, 1963?
Mrs. Paine.
I would be absolutely certain he had not--his indications were such that he had no such information.
Mr. Liebeler.
By that answer you mean to say, one, that he did not indicate to you before the assassination that he did have knowledge, and, two, after the assassination when it became known that Oswald had been involved in the General Walker shooting, Michael didn't indicate then that he had had any prior knowledge of it?
Mrs. Paine.
That's correct. Of course, it wasn't until several days--more than a week after the assassination that something was printed about Oswald there having been involved in an attempt on Walker.
Mr. Liebeler.
But as far as you know, Michael knew nothing about that until he found out about it in the newspaper?
Mrs. Paine.
That's right.
Mr. Liebeler.
When the Dallas police and other authorities came out to your house, they eventually took all of Oswald's personal effects, did they not?
Mrs. Paine.
No; they did not.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you have anything left in your house that belonged to Oswald?
Mrs. Paine.
No; they were eventually taken by Robert Oswald in company
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