Mrs. Paine.

They would often have small arguments--he wanted potatoes, or where was the ketchup level of arguments, which I felt just reflected a tension between them that showed in this way.
Now, very little was said--I don't remember well, but it was not uncommon for him to eat his meal and then leave the table before other people did. I don't remember specifically, but it's possible he did that night and go in to watch the television. In other words, his efforts at being sociable or friendly even was never very great.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, specifically, the part of your testimony, of course, that I have difficulty in reconciling with the testimony I have just read is when Mr. Jenner asked you if you detected any coolness between Marina and him and you responded, "I didn't notice any such coolness. Rather, they seemed warm like a couple making up a small spat."
How clear and how definite is your recollection of the events of that evening? I can't possibly reconcile in my mind the testimony that Marina gave with the notion that they looked like a couple that were making up from a small spat, and as far as that goes you can't either.

Mrs. Paine.

No; I can't--that may be just my interpretation.

Mr. Liebeler.

After hearing Marina's testimony and reflecting on what happened that night, do you think that this testimony is consistent with what you remember having happened there that night ?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, I saw nothing of the argument she describes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; I appreciate that.

Mrs. Paine.

I saw no continuing of it in the sense that they threw barbs at each other later. I don't recall any such altercation, and as I say, I just don't remember well enough whether it was that night as he had on other nights--he ate and left the table without much conversation--or just what happened. It was really my assumption, I would say, that he was there to make up the quarrel over the telephone.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you specifically discussed that with Marina that evening?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you both agreed that that was the reason he came there?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. No; I don't mean that I specifically recall real warmth being shown, but that his behavior was much as it often was and I judged that he was there to make up for the fight in some way.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you also thought from observing Marina that she was glad to have him make up the spat or that they had made the spat up?

Mrs. Paine.

I didn't see anything opposite to that, at least, so I was left with my assumption unchallenged.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, as far as you know, the events that are described by Marina's testimony that I have just read---could perfectly well have happened.

Mrs. Paine.

It could could well have happened--indeed--yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

After the assassination, did you think about your previous judgment that Oswald had come out there that evening to make up the argument that he had with Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

That's what I thought he must have come for.

Mr. Liebeler.

After hearing this testimony. as it occurred between Marina and Lee that evening, do you think that could have had anything to do with his attitudes and feelings the next day?

Mrs. Paine.

What you read of her testimony is news to me. I had no idea what the tone was of any words that passed between them, and as I say, all I heard that was in any way familiar to me, was that he had asked her to take an apartment--nothing about it being right away. I would say it could certainly have affected his thinking about it the next day. It is conceivable even that he hadn't seriously thought about shooting the President, but that would be sheer conjecture on my part.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have a washing machine in your house?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Marina use it?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. If I may say--that I am disturbed by what she said. was concerned all along in this arrangement that Lee not resent my being--