Mr. Liebeler.

in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B is the same man as this man who is immediately behind Oswald and facing away from the camera in Bringuier Exhibit No. 1?

Mrs. Odio.

No; it seems like a different back to me. Actually, possibly the same person, but for some reason, maybe the picture gives trim a slimmer look.

Mr. Liebeler.

You keep referring in Pizzo's exhibit to the man whose back is to the camera with a white shirt?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes; he came with a white shirt.

Mr. Liebeler.

I am having trouble, because I first thought that this man here, who I will mark with the number 1 in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B is the same as the man who I will mark as No. 1 in Bringuier's Exhibit No. 1, but it appears that that is not so?

Mrs. Odio.

No; this man is this man in the picture.

Mr. Liebeler.

So we have established that No. 2 in Bringuier's Exhibit No. 1 is the same as the man marked No. 1 in Pizzo's Exhibit No. 453-B?

Mrs. Odio.

Exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

And the man who we will mark 2 in Pizzo's Exhibit No. 453-B is the man marked 1 in Bringuier's Exhibit No. 1?

Mrs. Odio.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, as far as the man marked No. 1 in Bringuier's Exhibit No. 1 is concerned, you think when you see him there, that might look like the man who was in the apartment?

Mrs. Odio.

He has the same build in the back, and same kind of profile, this side. Here he looks a little broader, and that is not him. It is the same man, but that wasn't the way Leopoldo looked.

Mr. Liebeler.

So the man marked 2 in Exhibit No. 453-B, Pizzo, does not look like the man who was in your apartment?

Mrs. Odio.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

You cannot in any event recognize the man who we shall mark 3 in ,both pictures; is that correct?

Mrs. Odio.

Correct. Let me look at that man here [looking]. He wasn't one of them, but he looks so familiar to somebody, this one, the one that has his hand on his face.

Mr. Liebeler.

You indicate that the man who we shall mark 4 in, Pizzo's Exhibit No. 453-B looks somewhat familiar?

Mrs. Odio.

Somewhat familiar; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, I Show you Pizzo Exhibit 453-A and ask you if you recognize anybody in that picture?

Mrs. Odio.

Who is this man?

Mr. Liebeler.

You are referring to the man who we shall mark 1 on Exhibit No. 453-A. Does he look familiar to you?
Mrs, ODIO. The color of him looks familiar. That was more or less the color of that short man. He did not look real white.

Mr. Liebeler.

Does it appear to you that the man we have marked 1 in Exhibit No. 453-A is an oriental?

Mrs. Odio.

Is an oriental?

Mr. Liebeler.

I don't know. Does it look like it to you?

Mrs. Odio.

I don't know. I am just talking about the color of his face, the same color. Now he looks more familiar in this picture, you see.

Mr. Liebeler.

When you say this, you point to the man who we will mark 2 in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-A, and he is the same man who is No. 2 in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B, and No. 1 in Bringuier's Exhibit No. 1? They all seem to be the same man, don't they?

Mrs. Odio.

I think they are all the same man, but for some reason in this picture, he is wearing glasses, isn't he?

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, it looks like it; doesn't it?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did this man wear glasses who was in your apartment?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

He did?

Mrs. Odio.

Didn't wear them all the time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, do you recognize Oswald in any of these pictures; in Exhibit No. 453-A?