Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Madrid?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Rome?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Munich?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Berlin?

Mr. Pena.

No; I did not go to Munich.

Mr. Liebeler.

You did not go to Munich?

Mr. Pena.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did your plane land in Munich on the way to Berlin?

Mr. Pena.

No. From Rome, I went to Frankfort, Germany, and I stayed there about--I think about an hour and a half, something like that, to make connections on the next plane to Berlin, and then coming back from Berlin, fly from Berlin to Frankfort again, from Frankfort took Lufthansa, and directly to New York, and from New York, I wait about 3 hours and took the Eastern Airlines, a night trip, to New Orleans straight again.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was the purpose of that trip?

Mr. Pena.

Just a vacation.

Mr. Liebeler.

You had no contact with any agents of any foreign government at any time other than the custom officials and that sort of thing?

Mr. Pena.

Oh, when I went to Berlin; I went for--when I was in Berlin, I took a tour for 4 hours to East Berlin.

Mr. Liebeler.

On December 5, 1963, you were interviewed by two agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr. Steinmeyer and Mr. Logan. Do you remember that?

Mr. Pena.

I have been interviewed by the FBI so many times I don't remember. Something. But it might be true. You tell me about what to refresh my mind, and I can tell you about whether that is true or not.

Mr. Leibeler.

Well, let me come back to that in just a moment. Do you remember being interviewed by two FBI agents on June 9, 1964, when you and Mr. Tamberella went to the FBI office here in New Orleans? Mr. PENA. That's about 2 weeks ago?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember generally what you told them at that time?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Leibeler.

Would you tell us?

Mr. Pena.

What, approximately, I can remember?

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us now what you told them at that time?

Mr. Pena.

Well, they asked me in connection with the Mr. Kennedy, the late President Kennedy's assassination, and also if I know anything about it. I told them I didn't know anything about it. They asked me if I saw Oswald; so I said I saw him once. He went to my place of business with one or two friends. I don't know exactly. My bar is a very long bar, so to me it looked like he was with two friends. My bartender, Evaristo Rodriguez, said he was with only one man, so I don't know exactly. It was something that happened in my place of business; a customer asking for a lemonade; a man. They don't usually do that. That was the first time in 7 years I have been in business that a customer asked for a lemonade. So my bartender he learned to be a bartender at my place of business; he was a seaman before he came to me and said, "The customer wants a lemonade. Do we do that?" I said, "Sure." He didn't know how to make it, so I said, "Take a glass of water, couple of spoons of sugar, some lemon." He say, "How much should I charge ?" I said, "Twenty-five cents." He went .back and made a lemonade and put it to Oswald. Then Oswald got mad. Said 25 cents was too much for the lemonade, and then he asked for a tequila for his friend.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald ask for the tequila or did his friend?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know exactly. I was away from there. I didn't pay any attention. They got mad about the 25 cents for the lemonade and 50 cents for the tequila, so they asked my bartender, Evaristo, why I charge so much