Mr. Rodriguez.

I got on a boat in Cuba. We went to Mexico. Then we went to New York with sugar. Then we went to Norfolk, and from Norfolk, we went to Bermuda, and then to the Dominican Republic.

Mr. Logan.

Unless you want that. I just told him that whole route was not important if he could come down to the exact month he was in New Orleans. Here's the thing: He says now that the very first time he was ever in New Orleans was on a boat that came from Cuba in April of 1959. He was working on a boat that landed in New Orleans in April of 1959. Now he doesn't remember the exact month in 1961 that he was in New Orleans.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were you ever in New Orleans in 1962?

Mr. Rodriguez.

To the best of my recollection, I was here in May of 1962 where I caught the ship Barcelona.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you know Orest Pena at that time?
(Discussion between witness and interpreter.)

Mr. Logan.

As I ,get it, he knew Orest not well, but he knew him. Had seen him at the bar, around the bars.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember talking to him in May of 1962 in his bar here in New Orleans?

Mr. Logan.

He remembers probably he talked to Orest during May of 1962. I asked him what they talked about. He said, "Like small talk about boats, about this, about that. Nothing in particular."

Mr. Liebeler.

Were you in the bar in May of 1962 with Orest Pena at any time when Orest Pena got into a fight or big argument with another man?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I don't remember Orest being in a fight with anybody in the bar in 1962, in May of 1962.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Orest Pena ever say to you in words or in substance that Castro should have been notified about something as soon as possible, and particularly, in May of 1962?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I don't remember him saying anything like that.

Mr. Logan.

What he was telling me in all this flurry was that Orest, as far as political situations, is happy with his life here in the United States, and I have asked him three times if he remembers Orest making any statement like that, that Castro should have been notified immediately, and he says he has never heard him say anything like that. He doesn't remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you don't remember any fight that Orest got into with another man?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I don't remember anything about a fight or a discussion.

Mr. Liebeler.

All right [handing picture to witness]. I show you a picture that has been marked "Bringuier Exhibit No. 1," and ask you if you can identify anybody in that picture.

Mr. Rodriguez.

I identify Oswald as the man with the X on him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Anybody else?

Mr. Rodriguez.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

I draw your attention particularly to the man standing to Oswald's right, and the second man behind him, who appears to have leaflets in his hand, wearing a tie and short-sleeved white shirt, and facing directly into the camera.

Mr. Rodriguez.

The only one that I am able to identify in that picture is Oswald himself.

Mr. Liebeler.

IS that the man that was in the bar?

Mr. Rodriguez.

The same man that was in the bar as previously mentioned.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any question about that in your mind?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I am positive of this.

Mr. Liebeler.

[handing picture to witness]. I show you a photograph that has been marked "Garner Exhibit No. 1," and ask you if you recognize that man.

Mr. Rodriguez.

The man appears to be Oswald, but the first picture is a much better photograph in my mind for identifying Oswald. In other words, I was able to tell in the first photograph that the man was Oswald. In this photograph, the second photograph that I have been shown--

Mr. Liebeler.

"Garner Exhibit No. 1."

Mr. Rodriguez.

The man appears to be Oswald, but--

Mr. Liebeler.

The witness indicates that he is clear in his mind that the man