Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, I had a sign--I mean, I had had a gun shop in there, a man had leased part of my store and he had a gunshop in there, one part of it, but he had been moved for quite a while, but the sign hadn't been taken down.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, there was still a sign on the front of the building saying that there was a gunshop there?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Go ahead and tell me what are the other circumstances?

Mrs. Whitworth.

And when I told him that I didn't have anything--I didn't have what he was looking for, but I probably told him where he could go get it. I don't remember that I did, but I usually would tell someone where they could go to get such a thing and he turned around and he looked and he realized, I guess, that it was a furniture store and he said, "You have furniture in here?" I said, "Yes, I do." .He says, "I'm going to need some in a couple of weeks or so," and I said, "Well, I'll be glad to show you what I have." I had new and used furniture and he wanted bedroom furniture, he told me that, and he turned--he went back to the car and came back in and when he came back in his wife followed him in with the young baby and the little girl and we walked straight to the back of the building where I had the bedroom suites and I showed him the bedroom suites and I told him about the bedroom suites and I noticed that he would look over to her and she would never--she never uttered a word and I thought she didn't like what I had and was uninterested, because I didn't, you know, high pressure them to sell them.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were they interested in new furniture or used furniture?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, I never did get that far along to find out, you know, what they wanted, because she acted like she wasn't interested, you know, and I couldn't talk to him and he was the only one saying anything, and then we got talking about the babies.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was that conversation about?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, we was comparing the birthdays of the children and my grandchildren had birthdays kind of similar to theirs, you know, and so it went even so far as to--I said, "Well, we wanted a little girl. We wanted one of ours to be a little girl." He said, he wanted one of his to be a little boy and just jokingly, I said, "Well, let's Just swap then." And, he kind of smiled but she still didn't say anything, didn't even offer to show us the baby. We didn't know then, you know, that she couldn't even speak, or probably couldn't understand what we said, 'so she walked clear away from us and we walked back toward the front of the building there and she walked out ahead of him--the little girl was right in front of her, you know, and this was the older little girl, and they went on to the car and the little girl was kind of whining and at one time I thought--well, I'll offer her a piece of candy. I had candy in there, you know, but I never did, I never did offer them any candy and they went on off, but it was them just as sure as I'm sitting here--I'm sure it was him and her too.

Mr. Liebeler.

In this conversation about the babies, did they tell you--did this man tell you when his little baby had been born?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes; it was 2 weeks old.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was 2 weeks old at that time?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And he told you it was 2 weeks old?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you the date on which the baby was born?

Mrs. Whitworth.

He probably did at that time, but I don't know--the date on that kind of corresponded with the date of the birthday of my oldest grandson there.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have no recollection as to whether or not he told you the date or not; is that correct? Or you just don't remember the date---do you remember whether he told you or not?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I'm sure that he told me. I just don't remember the date.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you by saying, "Well, the baby is 2 weeks old," or did he tell you specifically that the baby was born on such and such a date; do you remember?