Mrs. Whitworth.

pulled up there at the front as well as I remember and he walked around his car and came into the west door.

Mr. Liebeler.

You saw him drive up in the car?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes; because it was all glass in front and I was sitting at the--well, it's the cash stand-- we call it there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Which direction was he driving the ear at that time?

Mrs. Whitworth.

driving west on a one-way street--that's a one way there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Running from east to west?

Mrs. Whitworth.

East to west.

Mr. Liebeler.

What kind of a ear did he have, Mrs. Whitworth?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, as far as I can remember--I wouldn't be---I wouldn't say for sure. All I can say is that I believe, you know, not paying a lot of attention to the ear and the ear not meaning anything at that time, that it was a two-tone blue and white. It was either a Ford or a Plymouth. Now, I wouldn't swear to that, but it was either one the ear didn't mean anything to me at that time. Anyway, he came in and he stood--

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me ask you some questions about the ear first--how many people were in the ear when you saw it drive up?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I didn't pay any attention to it--just really when it drove up out there. When I did pay attention to it was when he got back in it, you know, and it was faintly, you know. As to them getting back in it, I wouldn't say that there was anyone else in it--I wouldn't say that they were the only ones that was in it. They were the only ones that come in the store.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you notice specifically that Oswald was driving?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I wouldn't say that he was, and I wouldn't say that he drove off in the car. I wouldn't say that, because, like I say, it didn't mean anything to me at that time, just faintly, I would say that that ear was blue and white, two-tone, and that it was either a Ford or a Plymouth--now, I wouldn't swear to that.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, he drove up in front of the store and he got out of tile ear and came in--which door--did he come in?

Mrs. Whitworth.

He came in the west door.

Mr. Liebeler.

He came in the west door?

Mrs. Whitworth.

West door; he came in and he stood right in front of me there, and I arose up out of my chair and asked him, you know, if I could help him and he asked for something for a gun, and he had whatever this wrapped up and it was about so long, as well as I can remember, not paying too much attention to it at that time, but we didn't have the gunshop in there then. It had. gone out of business and I told him, no, I didn't have anything there, and whatever he was looking for--that I didn't have it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, when you say, "so long," you held your hands up and how many inches was that-- would you hold your hands up again?

Mrs. Whitworth.

[indicating] . I would say it was about like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

How many inches do you think that is?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, I would say about 15 inches.

Mr. Liebeler.

About 15 inches?

Mrs. Whitworth.

That's what I would say. You know, just judging it. It could have been longer and it could have been shorter, but it was wrapped up, I know that.

Mr. Liebeler.

He didn't have occasion to open it up for you while he was in the store?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, did he ask you about a specific part for it?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes; he did. But I don't know what it was because I didn't pay any attention to it because it was something, you know, for a gun and I couldn't help him, so I didn't pay any attention to it, you know, because I never worked in a gunshop anyway and I know nothing about guns whatever.

Mr. Liebeler.

How come he came into this used furniture shop looking for a gun part?