Mr. Ryder.

of the one the FBI man had, except it's been copied over and over. This is not as plain as the one he had.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me ask you if the FBI or anybody that ever talked to you ever showed you any pictures of a man and asked you if you could identify that man as Oswald?

Mr. Ryder.

He showed me a picture of Oswald, but like I told him, I couldn't say definitely if I knew him or not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me show you some other pictures that we have. The first five pictures have previously been marked Commission Exhibits Nos. 451 and 453 through 456, and I will ask you if you can recognize the man or men described in these pictures. Have you ever seen them anywhere, as far as you can recall? And second, if you have ever seen him in the shop?

Mr. Ryder.

No; they don't look like too familiar to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do they appear to be pictures of the same man to you, or a different man?

Mr. Ryder.

They look actually to me like they are different men. These two look real close.

Mr. Liebeler.

Referring to Commission Exhibits Nos. 456 and 451?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes; they look real similar in their hairline. Actually, I guess this looks about the same, too.

Mr. Liebeler.

Referring to Commission Exhibit No. 455. But the other two pictures look a little different?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The other two being Commission Exhibits Nos. 453 and 454? Now I show you a picture that has been marked previously as Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-A. I ask you to look at all the individuals in that picture and tell me if you recognize any of them.
There are two individuals that have been marked by a green mark, but don't confine your attention to them.

Mr. Ryder.

This one I know is Oswald, as the pictures in the paper, but as far as seeing the guy personally, I don't think I ever have. I could have, but being in business here, it would be hard to say. Any of the others, I don't believe I have seen any of the others, but this one, like I say, just by picture

Mr. Liebeler.

You are referring to the man that has been marked with an "X"?

Mr. Ryder.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Or with two lines as opposed to one straight line on Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-A. I now will show you Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B, and ask you if you recognize anybody in that picture? There is a man marked with a green mark in the left-hand corner of the picture.

Mr. Ryder.

This would be the only one. Like I say, seeing him on television and in the paper, that is as far as I could go.

Mr. Liebeler.

The man marked with the green line, is that right?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Here is another picture which has been marked Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-C. Do you recognize him?

Mr. Ryder.

This is the same picture that the FBI had of Oswald, the same picture.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't remember seeing this man in the shop?

Mr. Ryder.

Like I say, as many people as we have in here, it would be hard to distinguish one from another unless they come in quite frequently and you begin to know them. Then you would know what he looks like and kind of put a name with a face. There are several people that come in here that have been coming in for several years, but I can't make this old ticker work up there as to their names.

Mr. Liebeler.

So you aren't able to say whether this man was in the shop?

Mr. Ryder.

He may have or may not have been. I couldn't say for sure.

Mr. Liebeler.

All right, thank you, Mr. Ryder. We appreciate your cooperation The Commission wants to thank you very much for the cooperation that you have given us.

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.