Mr. Ryder.

phone up and took it off the hook and later on that day, CBS television came out and they were wanting a blownup deal on it to put on television when they found it was opposite which came out in the Times Herald.

Mr. Liebeler.

In other words, you were not interviewed as far as you can remember by a newspaper reporter prior to the time the story came out in the Times Herald?

Mr. Ryder.

Not as far as I know. I was interviewed by the FBI and Dallas Police Department and I believe a couple Secret Service men came out.

Mr. Liebeler.

Which one of those interviewed you first?

Mr. Ryder.

The FBI was the first one out.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember what the date was when the FBI first interviewed you?

Mr. Ryder.

It was on Monday, the day of the funeral of President Kennedy.

Mr. Liebeler.

That would have been November 25. Friday was the 22d, Saturday would be the 23d, Sunday the 24th, Monday the 25th. Do you remember the name of the FBI man?

Mr. Ryder.

Mr. Horton.

Mr. Liebeler.

Horton [spelling] E-m-o-r-y E. H-o-r-t-o-n?

Mr. Ryder.

I didn't get his first name. His last name stuck with me well, I don't know why; it just stayed there.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did Mr. Horton say to you and what did you say to him, to the best of your recollection?

Mr. Ryder.

Of course, we were closed on that Monday.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Irving Sports Shop was closed?

Mr. Ryder.

Right, and he came to the house, so, at that time he showed me pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald and pictures of the gun and asked me about it. I said "Well, the face and the body features of Oswald there was real common in this country." I mean, you know, in this area in Texas and that to say that I had him in the shop, actually, this was after a period of time that we boiled it down to. Oh, I told him I had a ticket with the name Oswald, no date, no address, just for drilling and tapping and boresighting--no address, or name: he didn't say he'd like to see the ticket and was looking at the pictures, then I seen the gun. Of course, from the picture I told him as far as I could remember I told him I hadn't mounted that scope, you know.

Mr. Liebeler.

You based that statement that you had not mounted the scope on your recollection that you had not worked on that particular kind of rifle, is that correct?

Mr. Ryder.

Right, on this Italian rifle I never worked on them. I seen them but as far as doing any physical work, I haven't done none even to this date, I haven't worked on any of them.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are absolutely sure about that?

Mr. Ryder.

I am positive on that, very positive. So, we went up to the Irving Sports Shop and I opened it up and got the ticket and showed him. It was just a little repair ticket actually what it amounted to.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did it have a number on it?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes, sir; I don't remember the number.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you give the tag to Mr. Horton?

Mr. Ryder.

No; he told us to hold on to it, keep it and they would probably get it later on and they did. It seems to me like it was 2 or 3 weeks ago they came and got it now.

Mr. Liebeler.

Just 2 or 3 weeks ago?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who came and got it?

Mr. Ryder.

I don't know; the boss, Mr. Greener, gave it to him. It was on Saturday, I believe it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did that tag indicate the nature of the work that was to be done?

Mr. Ryder.

Well, actually, all it had on it was drill and tapping; it said drill and tap and a price of $4.50, I believe it was and boresight, of course, no charge on that, so by us charging $1.50 a hole that's what we normally charge for drillin' and tappin'--would on this particular thing, would have been three holes drill and tap, where in the picture of the gun there was only two screws