Mr. Stuckey.

He said that nobody everybody seems to be almost alike in Russia because, after all, they had eliminated a lot of the dissenting elements in Russian society and had achieved fairly homogenous blend of population as a result.

Mr. Jenner.

That was an observation on his part, was it, of an aspect of Russian society that disappointed him?

Mr. Stuckey.

I don't know. I don"t recall him expressing an opinion as to whether he was disappointed by that. It was a comment. His tone was slightly acid as if he did not like it, but again this is my impression. He did say this which was interesting, he said that they wouldn't allow any Fair Play for Cuba Committees in Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

He did?

Mr. Stuckey.

Yes; he said they just would not because it is the type of organization that Russian society would just suppress.

Mr. Jenner.

Russian society?

Mr. Stuckey.

The Russian authorities would suppress.

Mr. Jenner.

Russian authorities suppress any militant organization of this character.

Mr. Stuckey.

Exactly.

Mr. Jenner.

Whether it was Fair Play for Cuba or anything else that is militant in the sense of being openly critical of the Russian society and Russian politics?

Mr. Stuckey.

Correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he observe on that subject, did he observe in the sense of his feeling that in America you are permitted within the bounds of .the Constitution to enjoy free speech and criticize your Government as distinguished from not being able to do so in Russia?

Mr. Stuckey.

He didn't add anything other than what I have already said, but the implication was that we can do that here. "After all, you know here I have this organization and I am doing this. They probably would not let me do a similar thing in Russia," and this was his tone.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have any impression as to his regard or judgment with respect to the government in which he was, whose privileges he was then exercising?

Mr. Stuckey.

No; he had given lip service a time or two to the fact that he considered himself a loyal American. He was constantly referring to rights, constitutional rights, and he made some historical references. He illustrated the development of these rights in America.

Mr. Jenner.

Did this informal conversation at Comeaux's Bar go on, you said, for about an hour?

Mr. STUCKEY. Approximately an hour.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he comfortable in the sense--was he eager, was he pleased--

Mr. Stuckey.

He was relaxed, he was friendly. He seemed to be relieved it was all over. My impression was he was relieved that he did not have to hide the bit about the Russian residence any more, and that it had been a strain doing so, because his manner was completely different. There wasn't the stiffness or the guarded words and guarded replies. He seemed fairly open, and I have no reason to believe that everything he told me that night was not true. I think it was true.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any difference in his attitude or demeanor with respect to personal self-confidence, for example, in that Saturday interview at his home and your interview with him prior to the Monday night broadcast, taking that as a base, and comparing it with his attitude in Comeaux's Bar after you had revealed the fact that he had been in Russia and had attempted to defect?

Mr. Stuckey.

Well, there wasn't any change. He was pretty consistent in his behavior from the very first time I met him until Comeaux's Bar, so this was the only notable change I observed. The manner was always guarded, even from the very first when he came out on his porch on August 17 in his dungarees, his manner was guarded.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it guarded in Comeaux's?

Mr. Stuckey.

No; it was not.