Mr. Stuckey.

was the answer was his service in Japan. He said living conditions over there convinced him something was wrong with the system, and that possibly Marxism was the answer. He said it was in Japan that he made up his mind to go to Russia and see for himself how a revolutionary society operates, a Marxist society.

Mr. Jenner.

He thought that Russia was a Marxist society?

Mr. Stuckey.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you question or discuss with him whether he found that the system in Russia was a Marxist society or whether it was--

Mr. Stuckey.

Yes; he wasn't very pleased apparently with some of the aspects of Russian political life. Particularly in the factories he said that a lot of the attitudes and this sort of thing was the same sort of attitude that you would find in an American factory. There was a lot of dead-heading, as we say in Louisiana. I don't know what your expression is.

Mr. Jenner.

Goldbricking.

Mr. Stuckey.

Goldbricking. The boss' relatives on the payrolls at nice salaries.

Mr. Jenner.

Nepotism.

Mr. Stuckey.

Nepotism, this sort of thing. Anybody with any authority at all would just use it to death to get everybody extra privileges that they could, and a lot of dishonesty, padding of production figures and this sort of thing. He said he wasn't very impressed.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you curious as to why he had come back to the United States and did you, if you were curious, discuss that subject with him?

Mr. Stuckey.

I don't believe I did. As a matter of fact, I wasn't curious at the time. We just accepted the fact that he had. In hindsight we should have asked a lot of questions about him.

Mr. Jenner.

The newspaper material that you had read, there was, was there not, something about his dishonorable discharge from the Marines?

Mr. Stuckey.

No; I don't recall any reference to that in the newspapers. Incidentally, Oswald had told me and had produced a discharge card that he was honorably discharged from the Marine Corps. He produced a card showing this.

Mr. Jenner.

When had he done that?

Mr. Stuckey.

This was the night of the 17th at the radio station. Why he did this I don't know. I forget what the circumstances were. I recognized the card because, after all, I was a marine myself and I had one exactly like it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you, in the tete-a-tete in Comeaux's Bar discuss with him his attempt, when in Russia, to renounce his American citizenship?

Mr. Stuckey.

No; we didn't, because that was alluded to in the broadcast and, as far as I was concerned, it was satisfactorily answered.

Mr. Jenner.

He does respond--you say, and I am now turning to the document identified as Stuckey Exhibit No. 3, a transcript of that radio debate in your preliminary remarks you advert to the fact that you had sought an independent source, Washington newspaper clippings---you advert to the fact that Mr. Oswald, and I am reading, "Mr. Oswald had attempted to renounce his American citizenship in 1959 and become a Soviet citizen.
"There was another clipping dated 1952 saying Mr. Oswald had returned from the Soviet Union with his wife and child after having lived there 3 years. Mr. Oswald, are these correct?" And he responds, "That is correct." I might say for the record that the date 1952 is the date that appears in this transcript, but the fact is that it was 1962. That was either a slip of the tongue or it is a typographical error, is that correct?

Mr. Stuckey.

I think so.

Mr. Jenner.

But in this informal conversation following the broadcast you did not pursue these subjects?

Mr. Stuckey.

Not those. We discussed other subjects. He made another observation about life in Russia. He said things were extremely bland, homogenized.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he elaborate on that?

Mr. Stuckey.

Yes; I thought it was interesting.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about that, please.