Mrs. Gibson.

No; I think we took him there.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, he was not at the YMCA.

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

He was not staying at the Halls'?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; he came to our apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

So he must have been staying somewhere in Dallas?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; he must have been. He came to our apartment. I don't ever recall taking him back to any place in particular, or picking him up at any place in particular. See, that is my problem. But I do remember the visit when She was in bed, and we told them that we would help them move. And I guess he must have called us or come to visit us about moving, and we took our car and I think, I don't know if we rented a trailer, I think they rented a trailer in Fort Worth, I am not sure, and left it in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

Let's get it sequentially. You left your apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Lee came to your apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In the morning was it?

Mrs. Gibson.

Morning or early afternoon.

Mr. Jenner.

And then you left your apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You, your husband, and Lee?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And where did you go?

Mrs. Gibson.

To drop the baby off.

Mr. Jenner.

Your baby?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

With a sitter?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; to Mrs. Taylor, Gary's mother.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mrs. Gibson.

From there we went to Fort Worth to Mrs. Hall's, and then Lee and Gary went to rent a trailer, and I stayed with Marina.

Mr. Jenner.

Was Mrs. Hall home on that occasion?

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Where was Mrs. Hall?

Mrs. Gibson.

I don't know. I guess she was in New York. So, they came back with the trailer and we started to load up all the stuff, and Alex--

Mr. Jenner.

Kleinlerer?

Mrs. Gibson.

Kleinlerer came by, I guess to supervise the moving, to see that nothing was taken of Mrs. Hall's, and he watched us move and we got all their stuff out, and we took them to their apartment in Oak Cliff, Elsbeth apartment, to move them in there. By then it was early evening, and then we left them there. We looked over the apartment and we left them there.

Mr. Jenner.

Your husband rented that trailer?

Mrs. Gibson.

I think Lee did; didn't he? I don't think Gary paid for it. Did Gary pay for it? I can't imagine Gary paying for it. He might have, but I don't see it.

Mr. Jenner.

Apart from that, did Lee thank you for spending the day?

Mrs. Gibson.

Very briefly, thank you, and that was all. Marina was not happy with the apartment at all. She said it was filthy dirty, it was a pigsty and she didn't want to stay there. Lee said it could be fixed up.

Mr. Jenner.

What was their attitude toward each other on that occasion?

Mrs. Gibson.

They were arguing.

Mr. Jenner.

During the day when you reached the Elsbeth Street apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

Not too much during the day but .after she saw the apartment she was very unhappy with it and they were arguing very much when we left.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it your impression she had not seen it?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I don't believe she had; no.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your impression of the apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

It was a hole. It was terrible, very dirty, very badly kept, really quite a slum. It had possibilities to be fixed up. It was large, quite large, built very strangely, little rooms here and there, lots of doors, lots of