Mr. Jenner.

And you have no present recollection where you picked him up, whether--

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Whether he had come to your house or what the circumstances were?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I sure don't. I think he might have come to our house, but I am not sure.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Marina stay with you during this October period at all?

Mrs. Gibson.

I think she stayed with us the time that he was in the YMCA.

Mr. Jenner.

That is?

Mrs. Gibson.

I think she stayed with us about 5 days.

Mr. Jenner.

That is 5 days?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I don't believe she stayed with us the full time, no.

Mr. Jenner.

But she did stay with you during a period?

Mrs. Gibson.

A few; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have a recollection of how she got there, whether you went or your husband went and picked her up and brought her to your home or whether Lee brought her?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I don't believe Lee brought her. I think it would be more--it would be normal to assume, I don't remember this, that my stepmother or my father must have brought her, because I know we didn't. I don't recall picking her up at all.

Mr. Jenner.

But she stayed with you then, you think, during the period that he was at the YMCA?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, did Lee visit at your home while she was there during this YMCA period?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall whether your husband Gary went over to the YMCA and picked him up and brought him to your home?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I don't think so. I think he came by bus, or walked. That was possible, too. It wasn't that far.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you locate your apartment at 3519 Fairmont with respect to the location of the Dallas YMCA. That was downtown?

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, it was almost downtown. I believe it was on Maple Avenue or very near Maple Avenue.

Mr. Jenner.

That is, the YMCA was?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; and Maple Avenue, we were only one block off of Maple Avenue. We ran parallel with Maple, Fairmont did, and we were only 1 block off of Maple, and I'd say it was, oh, maybe 12 blocks from the YMCA.

Mr. Jenner.

All easy walk?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; 12 or 14, maybe farther, but it was not a real long walk. It is possible to walk the distance. Bus service was very frequent and very easy to get.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, did you become aware, you and your husband, of the fact that Lee obtained a position at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall on the 12th of October? That is while he was at the YMCA, he had already obtained this position and had begun to work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?

Mrs. Gibson.

He began to work there while he was at the Y?

Mr. Jenner.

He went to work on the 12th of October 1962.

Mrs. Gibson.

Oh my goodness. Well, it is possible that we knew this. I know, I remember that he was employed there because I remember he used to tell Gary how he liked the job, how that interested him.
Now, when I thought he was employed there I don't know. I remember when he was at the Y that he was looking for a place to live in the Dallas-Oak Cliff area.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you or your ex-husband Gary or both of you help him to look?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I believe one evening we went out with them and looked over the prospective places, places that we knew of, the place where we used to live and Worthington, and just in the general low-rent area which would be accessible to where he was going to be working.