Mr. Wilcox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

And Mr. Lewis says that he does recall the difficulty he had paying a small money order to a gentleman who struck him as being a feminine type of person, but says he cannot remember the name of that person; is that correct?

Mr. Wilcox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember discussing that with Mr. Lewis to any other than as reflected on this statement?

Mr. Wilcox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you tell us what you said and what Mr. Lewis said about this? Before you tell us what was said, this discussion that you are referring to was held on December 4, 1963, or some other time?

Mr. Wilcox.

Yes, sir; at that time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Will you tell us what that conversation was?

Mr. Wilcox.

The conversation with Mr. Lewis had to do with trying to identify the person that he was supposed to have paid this money order to, and the one with which he had some difficulty in establishing identification.

Mr. Liebeler.

I want you to tell me exactly what happened in as great detail as you can remember it.
Now, at this conversation with Mr. Lewis, the possibility that this money order was to be delivered to someone at the YMCA on Ervay Street in Dallas was discussed was it not?

Mr. Wilcox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Will you tell us all that you can remember about that aspect of the discussion that you had with Mr. Lewis?

Mr. Wilcox.

I have discussed the matter with Mr. Lewis regarding the money order which he was having difficulty in paying. He could not pay the money order became the recipient could not produce suitable identification.

Mr. Lewis.

was a little hazy on the details about it, but was under the impression that it was a money order or a message in the nearby area, possibly on Ervay Street or at the YMCA.
We instituted a search for all money orders during this period, that might be the message to which Mr. Hamblen was making reference.

Mr. Liebeler.

That was the one with which Mr. Lewis had difficulty in paying; is that correct?

Mr. Wilcox.

Yes. Now, we found some messages. One in the amount of $65. One in the amount of $35. But neither of these were the money orders that Mr. Hamblen had reference to.

Mr. Liebeler.

How did you establish the fact that they were not the money orders?

Mr. Wilcox.

He looked at them and decided it wasn't the one, because we couldn't find anything that had reference to this particular identification that Hamblen was talking about.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Lewis looked at these telegrams; is that correct?

Mr. Wilcox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Does the telegram indicate-what sort of identification was produced by the person to whom the money order was paid?

Mr. Wilcox.

Well, there are several others in here.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are looking through a number of telegrams covering money orders; is that correct?

Mr. Wilcox.

Going to different people at the YMCA but none of them was the money order message. None of them was a money order message that Lewis could identify as being a money order of the type Hamblen was describing. In other words, he couldn't find anything that fitted into that pattern at all.

Mr. Liebeler.

You discussed these money orders with Mr. Lewis after you obtained them from the files; that correct?

Mr. Wilcox.

That's right. Mr. Lewis later told me that it might have been a money order draft that could have been paid to some individual in our town and that the party holding the draft had presented it at our office for payment,