Mr. Pizzo.

Sunday and probably it was Monday, but it wasn't Friday or Saturday, and I'm not sure it was Sunday, but I think it was on a Monday, and of course the seed planted--I got to thinking about it and I looked at him and he looked familiar to me, and at that time I could have sworn it was him, because I remember a man in a T-shirt. I don't mean the open T-shirt but a full T-shirt.

Mr. Jenner.

Like the kind you wore in the Marines?

Mr. Pizzo.

Well, it wasn't green, but that type the full T-shirt with a sleeve.

Mr. Jenner.

About a half sleeve?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes; and his face. And he just looked the type. He just looked like the type of guy that I was talking to that day, and when I came back to work the next day, of course we were all in there talking about it, and we talked about different incidences that reminded me of him. I only had a few seconds look at the man. He never said a word. I never heard him tall.

Mr. Jenner.

The customer never said a word?

Mr. Pizzo.

The customer never said a word--whether it would be him or not--but to me, it looked like it was, only from the pictures.

Mr. Jenner.

I Will exhibit to you Commission Exhibits 451 and 453 through 456 and ask you to examine them.
Does the man depicted there bear a resemblance to what you might possibly recall as the prospective customer you now have in mind?

Mr. Pizzo.

[Examing photographs referred to.] It wouldn't be fair to say this one, because I think this was in the television or the newspaper with a fat lip--I remember that.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Pizzo has refused Commission Exhibit 455.

Mr. Pizzo.

Possibly these two.

Mr. Jenner.

It might possibly be Commission Exhibit 453 or 451?

Mr. Pizzo.

And I will refuse these two.

Mr. Jenner.

The witness also refused Commission Exhibits Nos. 454 and 456.

Mr. Pizzo.

I'm not too positive on these either.

Mr. Jenner.

And he is uncertain even as to Commission Exhibits Nos. 453 and 451.
(An instrument is marked by the reporter as Pizzo Exhibit 453-A, for identification.)

Mr. Jenner.

Showing you that exhibit, do you see any person depicted on that exhibit that resembles or is the prospective customer that was brought to your office door by Mr. Bogard or the day you have testified about?

Mr. Pizzo.

One of these two men seems like it. This one---it seems like it because his nose is too big---one of these two here.

Mr. Jenner.

Using this green marker, will you put an "X" on the two men?

Mr. Pizzo.

I am not positive.

Mr. Jenner.

Of course you are not positive.

Mr. Pizzo.

Do you want me to put it right here?

Mr. Jenner.

Let's pick out the two that most closely resemble the man of which you speak?

Mr. Pizzo.

[Witness at this point marked instrument referred to.]

Mr. Jenner.

Now, which of those two that you marked with the little green mark most closely resembles the man you saw?

Mr. Pizzo.

Right here but he seems older here the was a little short guy, the way I figure.

Mr. Jenner.

Put an-"X" above him. The witness has put a cross--a horizontal cross line, through the other line as indicating the man who appears most like the person he saw. Your feeling is that the man you have indicated with an "X" seems somewhat taller than the man you recall as having seen at the door of your office prior to November 22, 1963; is that correct, sir?

Mr. Pizzo.

That's correct--about 5 feet 8 inches, something like that, what I recall---or maybe 5 feet 8 1/2 inches. Bogard is pretty tall and it seemed like the fellow was a lot shorter than he was.

Mr. Jenner.

And that's what led you to put the marker over the head of the man on the extreme right shown in that picture, Pizzo Exhibit 453-A?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes--that's right--it's a downhill photo.

Mr. Jenner.

I have one that's taken more at a level. We will mark it Pizzo Exhibit 453-B.