Mr. Hutchison.

Several minutes.

Mr. Jenner.

Several minutes?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir. How far between then, I don't know but from then on, I would say 20 minutes before they checked out.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he pay for these goods?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir; yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

How? With cash?

Mr. Hutchison.

Cash. Yes, sir. There was only one other time when he tried to cash a check.

Mr. Jenner.

And I'll get to that in a minute--but on this particular occasion, it was cash.

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir. It was always cash. Yes, sir. He always paid cash.

Mr. Jenner.

I am interested, Mr. Hutchison, in the older lady--the older of the two ladies.

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Could you give me any more---draw on your imagination and see if----

Mr. Hutchison.

Well, she was on the heavy side; I would say weight 160 or 170 pounds, and short and dumpy.

Mr. Jenner.

How tall was she with respect to the gentleman and the young lady?

Mr. Hutchison.

Well, she was--she was, of course, not as tall as the gentleman and maybe about the same height as the lady.

Mr. Jenner.

The young lady?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir; the young lady.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your judgment as to the young lady's height?

Mr. Hutchison.

I would say 5 feet 2 1/2 or 3.

Mr. Jenner.

Relatively short?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir; relatively short--yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And the elderly lady was approximately that height as well?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir; but dumpy.

Mr. Jenner.

Heavier set?

Mr. Hutchison.

Heavier set; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What would you say was the weight of the younger lady?

Mr. Hutchison.

I would say 107 to 110.

Mr. Jenner.

Slightly built, then?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did I ask you this--was that a busy period of time, as you recall?

Mr. Hutchison.

No; no, no. It wasn't too busy.

Mr. Jenner.

And you were afforded plenty of opportunity, were you, to observe these people?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes; yes. When I went around this aisle to hear this foreign language, I looked at them and I could see them as plain as I'm seeing you. I didn't go right down and just stare and look at them--but my aisle is only 36 feet long and they were in the middle of the aisle. So when I went around the aisle, I was within 15 feet of them.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, had the gentleman you're now describing been in--was one of the occasions that he'd been in in the morning?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir; before.

Mr. Jenner.

Prior to this event?

Mr. Hutchison.

Yes, sir; yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And on these prior occasions when he was alone, did he ever use a language which was other than English?

Mr. Hutchison.

Mr. Jenner, he never said a word. He never spoke.- I'd always speak when he came in and always thank him when he went out. And whatever the purchase was, you addressed the amount--like it was a .$1.04, a $1.16, a $1.12--he'd just put the money out or get the change and walk fight out the door. He never said a word.

Mr. Jenner.

He didn't say hello, goodby, how are you, nice morning, it's raining----nothing at all?